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Misfit Podcast
This and That - E.336
Happy Open Prep Day!
In this episode, we explore the mindset of a Misfit—what it means to grow, adapt, and thrive while embracing the challenges and imperfections that shape us.
We kick things off with insights from Open Prep Day, reflecting on how fitness is more than just physical—it's about community, connection, and a positive mindset. We discuss the importance of understanding your motivations behind fitness goals and how unrealistic standards can lead to burnout. Instead, we emphasize focusing on progress over perfection and enjoying the journey alongside like-minded misfits.
Key highlights include:
- The psychological impact of setting healthy fitness goals
- Creating fun, supportive gym environments to fuel long-term success
- Financial health hacks, like smarter choices for meal prep and coffee
- Exciting updates on the World Fitness Project, a groundbreaking competition for athletes of all levels
- A preview of the Purple Mountain Throwdown, where community and competition collide
We wrap up with a reminder: fitness isn’t about perfection—it’s about showing up, embracing the process, and celebrating the small victories that lead to lasting change.
Whether you’re here for training tips, personal growth insights, or just to feel part of a community that gets it, this episode has something for you.
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We're all misfits, all right, you big, big bunch of misfits. You're a scrappy little misfit, just like me Biggest bunch of misfits I've ever seen either.
Speaker 2:Good morning misfits. You are tuning into another episode of the Misfit Podcast. On today's episode we're going to be bouncing all over the place. We're going to be talking about Open Prep. We're going to be talking about the World Fitness Project, a potential misfit community competition. I'm going to bury the lead a little bit there and then potentially end with some things that I like to think about when we cross over into the new year that might be a little bit healthier physically, mentally, emotionally, etc. Than kind of the usual shit that people do and say probably more say than do related to the new year. So we've had a bunch of not rigid episodes but episodes that were very much boom, boom, boom going down the line. So I wanted to open it back up to something that was a little bit more free form this week, before we get into all of that different stuff happy Open Prep Day, phase three, and Open Prep start at misfitathleticscom today and we have the 14-day free live on fitter so you can go in, you can get started.
Speaker 2:Uh, two weeks for free um to to check out any of our programs. Um, really quickly, if you are like a hundred percent positive that you're qualifying for semifinals, kind of top thousand athlete in the world in your division. Um, you can get signed up for phase three, which is the MFT program. If you're 1000 through a hundred thousand, make sure you get signed up for that hatchet program. And then teens and masters we have our age group program. So head over to misfitathleticscom, get yourself over to fitter. You can also do that through some Lincoln bio stuff in our socials to get signed up for a 14 day free trial. And, as always before anything serious, we've got a little live chat. What's going on, hunter?
Speaker 1:What's going on? Just finished the last 5x5, the Team. Misfit Affiliate Phase cycle. Has it worked? It's working.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh-huh.
Speaker 1:It's getting heavier and got miserable linearly, as expected.
Speaker 2:yeah uh, yeah, and it always works what was the, what was the range for you? Where'd you start and where'd you end?
Speaker 1:uh, today was started at 305 and hit 335 was my heaviest, so oh boy um, yeah, 335 was the test five rep max that I hit, which is say below, below what I would would hope. Maybe hope typically, but having not squatted a whole bunch, that was a good starting point.
Speaker 2:Um, when you don't like it's, it's. It's something that's interesting. It's actually like a segue to the final topic of the episode, so we'll forget, but maybe we'll remember it at a certain point. If you're not chasing a number or a competition or etc. You know that you're probably going to lean. Or if're a smart athlete, you're going to probably start to lean towards hitting sets that you're positive, you're going to hit and moving really well and maybe standing up faster and creating the force production and creating the stimulus versus flirting with. Can I hit this? You know, am I using an all-time max for my percentages from 2001? That kind of thing. So things like this change in the way that you execute this specific set I feel like is so important in relation to talking about whether you're happy about a number or not yeah, I've been.
Speaker 1:I actually, as I was putting weights away, I was like I think this is and I don't think I know for sure this is the the one program that I've done the most. Uh, as far as like lifting cycles and stuff like that, like doing the did some of the misfit the lifting cycles back in the day I did the volume back squat phase, probably once or probably twice total Done like west side speed and heavy days, and that works like. That's not the sweet spot for me personally and I think it's actually like a pretty small segment of the population that that works really well for. Um, but yeah, this is the. I think I've done the texas method, or like and modified texas method, you know, without the five rep max day every week, um, well, the most, by far the most time. So, and I can think back of like yep, I've hit, I've hit this, I've hit that. I remember like the first time I hit 365 for five, a long time. That's a, that's a kind of a benchmark sort of weight as far as plate math is concerned. And then, um, yeah, so the, the ranges.
Speaker 1:I think to your point, like, because I've done it so many times, it's like I know fairly quickly whether or not it's going to be like hey, is this going to be a phase where you you push for a new five rep max sort of thing like an all time sort of deal, or is this going to be like you know, I kind of know where I'm at in my fitness this year, this time of year, whatever it is, and say like, okay, like I'm just trying to get get heavy, get some weight on my back. It's going to make my legs stronger, going to improve my fitness everywhere else. So whether or not it's a new all time five rep max or five by five or whatever is, is way less important to me, having done this so many times and knowing that's like Well, and it's proven.
Speaker 2:like, like, a lot of people can't see the forest through the trees. You get distracted by the shiny object. People over a long enough time horizon look at the whiteboard and want to know why your scores are what they are, and it's probably because you don't get obsessed with. Okay, I didn't like the 335 number or whatever it is, so now I'm going to squat nine times a week and my condition is going to go to shit or my knee is going to start bothering me or any of these like number of things are going to happen. And when we ask you, how are you the fitness robot? You're like, I've worked out five or six days a week for 10,000 years and it's like, okay, like in, in in doing the thing. The way that you do it, I think, is how stuff like that actually happens. Like be consistent across the board?
Speaker 1:yeah, I think so, and I still do like I'll still film some. I filmed some sets. I'm working through like a little bit of a hip thing, um. So I like feel like I'm squatting, maybe slightly off center, trying to avoid that, and like just work on little things. So I still you know, I've still got videos on one the coaches I app, so that's how old the videos are and two from 2016 to 2017, of like. Here's a set of five front squats from april 27, 2016. Like good job, um, but yeah, I still, I'll still throw the camera up to check, kind of do a little form check on myself, because I'm usually lifting in an open gym. But yeah, retest week for the affiliates on Monday.
Speaker 2:So mine might sound boring. Maybe it is boring, I don't know. Boring, uh, maybe it is boring, I don't know, um, but if you've listened to this podcast long enough, you know that I like to talk about like systems and standards that I have to put in place for myself, otherwise I might spin off the earth. Um, I'm a kind of a freewheeling kind of guy and you realize over time you want a different outcome to certain things. You got to come up with a different path to get there.
Speaker 2:So one of the things that I want to focus on this year is paying closer attention to some financial stuff, but more on a day-to-day kind of a thing. Some like financial stuff, but more on like a day-to-day kind of a thing. Um, and again, like I'm not necessarily doing this because I think I don't have any money or I think I have too much money or anything like that, but it's more like um, almost 40, I've got a kid like maybe I'll, I'll pay attention to the fact that I could spend like thousands of dollars less per quarter by just fucking, like locking in on certain things. So the two probably not surprising the two things that I'm working on right now are meat and coffee. Bro, meat and coffee.
Speaker 1:There's got to be other places to trim the fat.
Speaker 2:You don't want to know what my meat and coffee budget is currently um so with the coffee and maybe I'll remember to do this on instagram I am looking for the four pound bag of whole bean coffee. Um, that gets me down back into the like one to two dollars per cup range, because coffee has gotten absurd. It doesn't matter where you go, like. We're talking like used to be in the ten dollar range for a decent bag of coffee and we're talking 15 to 20, um, and when you do the math, you're like now, for a pour over, I'm spending three dollars a cup, or you know whatever. It is just too much at home. At home, which is like you know, the narrative has always been stop buying. I mean, I was never buying the fucking unicorn razzle dazzle from fucking starbucks or whatever it's called, but like. So what I did a seasonal delight is I. What I would have done back in the day is I would have ordered a bunch of four pound bags of coffee and if they sucked, I would have thrown them in the trash.
Speaker 2:So, I have ordered four 16 ounce bags that have an affordable four pound bag option and I'm going to test all four and decide which one or ones I'm going to go with from there, and then we can get back down into like one to two dollar range per cup kind of a situation um.
Speaker 1:So that's, that's what's step number one size, how many like well I was doing it based on 400 grams of water.
Speaker 2:That's like not actually a standard cup of coffee. Standard cup of coffee is closer to like 300 grams okay like that kind of thing. But like if, if I make a rule about how many cups of coffee I'm allowed to have, I ain't doing. No, 300 gram fucking cup of coffee, sorry.
Speaker 1:So that's that's whatever one, 14 000 gram yeah.
Speaker 2:So that's 25 grams of coffee beans. So then you just do the math on 25 grams divided by however many grams are in the bag. So I'm interested to see if any of these are good, and maybe I'll take some suggestions from people on social media. And by maybe I mean I won't, probably, unless I trust you, because you're going to hit me with some fucking dark roast trash that you put fucking superfood peppermint creamer in and we're not going to ever be ever be able to talk again. So let's just not go there.
Speaker 1:Okay, we got a front runner. Do you have a front runner brand wise?
Speaker 2:The two brands that I found that have good reputations but could just be because they're good marketers, are Black Rifle and Collectivo, and Collectivo is actually one that we've had a bunch of out in Madison, so they've got, I think, two or three light roasts that they have a $75 four pound bag of, and then Black Rifle is very similar. So I ordered those and I'll let you guys know how they are. And maybe, just maybe, because, like, if you have unlimited resources or just are like this is where I'm going to spend my fucking money, I suggest ordering some four pound bags of tandem. You can order them online. It's fucking great, but it's over 100. It's over 100 bucks for that. So, over the course of the year, every four pound bag, that's an extra 25 dollars. You know it, it, it goes up for sure. Um, and then on the, the meat side is bad, and one of the reasons why it's bad, and and because you don't have a costco membership like a grown-up.
Speaker 1:Oh, just wait for it, just wait for it.
Speaker 2:So I get frustrated with this whole like meal prep situation because it's hard to buy and cook in bulk. Like I've gotten better about it because I cook the same meat for my son as I do for myself and like I'm not gonna I'm not gonna be sketchy about like how long I let the meat sit in the fridge before he eats it. Like for me, when his expires, I eat the leftover. It's kind of a thing and I've never had an issue. So it is what it is. But, um, it's, it's fucking hard to like. I mean, you know your, your, your schedule is not that much different than mine. We're just doing different things throughout the course of it. But when you got to cook a bunch of meat two or three times a week at night, it just gets old, Right?
Speaker 2:And if I want to eat 200 grams of protein a day and I want like, let's say I'm on a cut and I'm not giving myself any liquid calories or something like that, that's a decent amount of meat, you make this giant bag of chicken or whatever, and then it's just gone. And then also what comes with that and buying it in lower quantities is the cost. So I finally went to Costco, finally got the membership, finally went to Costco. My wife was looking, so I did have to buy the organic chicken because it's for Carter. I don't know how a living being couldn't be made of organic material. It's a fucking chicken and it's chicken breast, so there's no fat. So what are we talking about? I will probably go like one and one the next time I go there. One conventional one, organic, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Probably go like one and one the next time I go there one conventional one, uh yeah, don't worry about you know, organic like that kind of thing. It's also not that much different, at least at like I go to sam's club, but it's not.
Speaker 2:No, it's not. It's not like a knot is not it's not a massive difference, um.
Speaker 2:so I went to costco um a couple bucks a pound cheaper on the chicken, which is nice compared to what I normally get Way cheaper on the ground beef. Problem with the ground beef is their organic and their grass-fed are both 85-15. And I'm probably not going to donate that many of my macros because of how much protein I'm trying to get to just beef Like. I would rather cook in more olive oil and put that over the top, for you know how good it is for heart health and stuff like that. So, um the so I got the chicken for a leaner ground beef.
Speaker 2:Exactly yeah, and I don't eat the meal itself is not low in fat For a leaner ground beef?
Speaker 1:Exactly yeah, and I don't eat the meal itself is not low in fat, but I would rather get my fat from another source, both for health and flavor profile, but to add it in the beef, exactly, but I'm looking at the steak because that's one thing, that's one thing that's an issue with me is I just do chicken breast and ground beef because it's easy.
Speaker 2:But then that's the day where you've like your resources are limited in your brain and you're like I don't fucking want this again. And then you should. You know, just got to get a pizza from monty's. Um, so they, I'm looking at it and it's like it's. It's interesting because it's. It's still fairly expensive, not compared to other places. Steak is just expensive across the board.
Speaker 2:So I find these fucking top sirloin hockey pucks. You could kill a guy with one of these things. They're like twice as thick as a filet and you could butterfly it and just pan sear it probably. But because it's higher protein, lower fat, you're probably not going to break the tissue down. So I took these. This actually happened because my Traeger something electrical in it shit the bed. But I took all six of these things, six pounds and I put it in the oven and went 250 degrees in the oven until I got the steaks up to 120. I would normally, if I was going to eat it in the moment, I'd probably go 125. But if I'm going to reheat these things over the course of the week in different ways, I like to go a little bit closer to rare man. When you go like a top-end medium rare and then you cook it in the pan after, like chop it up, it's not great.
Speaker 1:No.
Speaker 2:So 120, and it took a while, but that's actually a good thing. So, like one of the reasons why you do the reverse sear is because you're breaking like that slower cooking is breaking a lot of the stuff down protein structure, you know, fat, like that sort of thing um, so I did that and then I reverse seared all of them and if you are in the pan yeah.
Speaker 2:so oven at 250 until they reached 120 and then, um, hot pan a little bit, a little bit of oil, and like they came out fucking perfect, which is great, but they're so far doing really well, reheating in like different ways. It's like night one it was just steak and rice, like how you would normally eat a steak, but then, like another night, it was like, okay, I'm gonna go like mexican took, you know, my 75 grams of protein, I chopped the shit out of it and then I, you know, spice it up and all that good stuff and it was fucking great.
Speaker 2:So, um, if you know how to cook, if you trust yourself, um, it would be really annoying to cook six pounds of steak and have it come out shitty because it takes a while but you trust yourself, yeah if you, if you trust yourself to do it, I think next time I will probably go three pounds cooked in the same way and then I'll probably put three pounds in the slow cooker, because then it's just like like or instant pot, whatever pressure cooker like, then it's just that's a quicker meal situation.
Speaker 1:Yeah, kind of go pull on that side. Do you have an air fryer?
Speaker 2:I do.
Speaker 1:There's a so I've heard, so I experimented with air frying a steak a steak that wasn't like the highest quality.
Speaker 2:I hear it goes well with a ribeye.
Speaker 1:It. So what I? I've heard it goes better if you go straight from frozen, which is very strange.
Speaker 2:I've heard that.
Speaker 1:Well, I mean if it slows it down then the idea of yeah, I think if it's defrosted already and you put it in the air fryer, I think it just dries it out. I think it just I'm not sure what it is. It was just a little bit tough, but I've heard air fry from frozen.
Speaker 2:I have heard that too, yeah and it comes out really good. I'll have to experiment with from frozen, but yeah, I was just trying to think of easy and that's obviously the the ribeyes from super well though butcher box are really fucking good and, like I would say, medium tier, affordable and those I've heard like, because somehow they make the exact same steak every time, which is a little terrifying.
Speaker 2:But like they, what they send you is so similar that I've heard that from the freezer butcher box ribeye to the air fryer it's like, like you know whatever, a six or seven out of ten steak in like you fucking walk in the house, you throw that thing in there you go about your business and then you have a pretty good steak.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that kind of thing.
Speaker 2:So, um, all right, maybe, maybe, yeah I, I would say on that costco game though.
Speaker 1:Good quality, too right, and like 7.99 a pound, it's the it's the, it's the um blade tenderized.
Speaker 2:That's the name of the game at the. At the like your Sam's Club and your Costco, they have this machine with a trillion tiny needles and they send that bad boy down into all your steaks so that they're pre-tenderized. Even if you do suck at cooking, you don't need to fucking replace your molar once you're done. All right, uh, all right, I want to. So to open prep um for hatchet athletes in phase three for mft athletes starts today.
Speaker 2:This podcast drops monday, january 13th. Don't forget your 14-day free trial on fitter. I want to. I know a lot of people listen to this podcast right when it comes out on Monday and they're going to see the volume and the programming for tomorrow and I want to talk a little bit through what our expectation of that programming and what that day would look like from what we would consider a competitor standpoint. So the only two things that are on hatchet open prep week one, day two, are squat snatch. We have nine sets of squat snatch, echo bike flush, one K between each set and then we have two, two and a half minute am wraps in an interval.
Speaker 2:That's the whole day. So you're looking at 15 minutes of potential time under tension or time spent at an elevated heart rate, and I think a lot of people would overhead squat hold before the squat snatch. I see three minutes of couch stretch per side. I see working on your ankles. You know getting that band of distraction and plopping that. You know sandbag up onto your knee and getting out over your toe and then into, I mean, that session. You've got like man. You've got 20 to 30 minutes of rest between sets. So if you got that, you get 9K of echo biking as a flush between those sets. To think about that. So we are already trending towards.
Speaker 2:You know, a lifting session like this with the warmup is 45 to 60 minutes um for a competitor and then we roll over to the interval and I see a 15 minute machine warmup where you go from and you could reverse this order depending on your priorities as an athlete. For sure, a lot of athletes like to get in and get after it and then lift um so that they feel really loose. So we have a 15 minute machine warmup for this Um. So you're looking at, you know, your five, five, five where you go from basically cold all the way up to like a zone two pace. Um, we have warming up, um, the actual movement. So, going through your KIPP swings, checking in on your movement progression, with the total bar two, 75 slash, 185 deadlift here, um, you know, we're activating the posterior chain where you know banded walks around the gym and our clam shells If you struggle with the low back issues and our glute bridges, um, and then you know, maybe you know the, the little sort of primer piece where it's, you know, a practice round or whatever it is, um, and then we do this piece and it only takes seven minutes, with the rest built into the interval. And then you have to finish the curve, as they say in the endurance community. We're going to get popped back onto those machines and basically take ourselves from peak heart rate towards the end, all the way back down to that resting, close to that resting heart rate, before we look into doing some mobility et cetera. This could very, very easily take two hours plus if you're doing your mobility to cool down and you consider the time it takes to make sure your hydration's where it's at and you're doing your post-workout nutrition.
Speaker 2:So this is not like I have to restrain myself. So, as a customer, if you're like this is what they're giving me, this is me showing restraint. If I get to crack my knuckles and write 19 Metcons, I will. I will do it, I want to do it. But it's like how do we again we talked about it in the last episode how do we build the habits early, when the volume is low, so that they really hold us up and hold us to a standard and make us perform better when it gets high? So I just I saw that day and I can think of some of the people, even in discord, being like where's my program? You missed something. Why isn't there 92 pieces? Like that kind of thing. And this is very intentional and meant to be the kind of day where you show up and perform like a pro and see what that feels like as an athlete um question for you because I I would if I were a listener.
Speaker 1:I might ask this let's say I squat snatch first and you said it yourself I just did 9k echo biking. Would you say that I need to do my 5-5-5 before that piece, as far as a warmup like elevating the heart rate, if I just did 9K of echo biking?
Speaker 2:I would say it depends on the athlete.
Speaker 1:If you are, Certainly, if we're splitting the sessions up, right, if we're doing two separate sessions, you need a separate warmup. Yeah, yeah, and let's say I'm going to do both. Right, if we're doing two separate sessions.
Speaker 2:You need a separate, yeah, and let's say I'm gonna do both, sure you're gonna do it so. So I'll give two examples. One would be um and I don't want to discount this individual, because your competitive aspirations and your free time don't always line up right could be a fucking beast, and I just don't have that much time. The 9k of Echo Biking and the Squat Snatch set you up for a really good situation. Going into the deadlift totobar, I would still want to see some activation and I would probably do one five-minute chunk where I got myself onto a rower and started to get again to oxygenate the tissues in the area that I need to, just to warm up the body in that way. But we go like four or five minute chunk there. That being said, when I look at this, there is an opportunity for the person who does have the more free time to finally work themselves into fantastic positions in the squat snatch, and then they could probably stand to, you know, get into dragon pose and pigeon pose afterwards and, you know, maybe that's the time that you jump into the sauna or whatever. It is so like.
Speaker 2:I don't think they need to be separate sessions as much as like, if you have the time, I want you to think about them singularly and how you would approach them if that was the only thing you were going to be doing on that day. But, like, again, you could be an absolute monster. And you know, you, you, you had your humble pie and you're like I am going to follow hatchet, but I am fucking making like online semifinals, but I don't have the time to do this. What you're saying is is absolutely fine, like, not a big deal there. There, I would rather see an athlete take that time to cool down, to enhance their recovery, than to do the extra 15 minutes, do the piece and then have to run out the gym. Yeah, um, I'm going to put you on the spot hunter for one element of our essentially random episode. Is there anything in your coaching, leadership, training, personal habits? Is there anything recently that you have changed your opinion on or dug into from a research standpoint? You, what do you feel like?
Speaker 1:you're trying to like lock in on right now and you could go your training, your coach, whatever, anywhere uh, yeah, I'd say maybe more so on the coaching at the affiliate, on the affiliate side, and I, I think it's I've, I've, always, I've. Typically, I will typically be the. I'm the type of person that if I'm going to do something, I'm going to like mo in most instances, if I'm going to do something, I'm going to try to optimize it and do it as like the most, the, the most optimal and the most efficient way possible, like I don't. If I go to the golf simulator, I'm not going to have fun per se, it's fun but I have an intention.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'm not going there to drink beers and eat nugs. But I'm going to go like, okay, I'm going to hit a range session for the first handful of minutes that I'm there and then I'm going to go onto a course and I'm going to practice X, y or Z. That's fun for me, like mate, like working towards something is fun.
Speaker 1:I take that, that and and that extreme into coaching in a lot of ways and and project that I would say onto my affiliate athletes my affiliate athletes and coaches um to the point where it's like, hey, like I don't care about anything else other than like is that squat perfect? Is it to standard? Is the depth good? Are they having fun? Like, ah, like, don't worry about that, they'll have fun, they'll. They're going to have fun on their own fun, they'll. They're gonna have fun on their own. Like, coach the shit out of them. Like, hold them to an exceptionally high standard, that sort of thing. I haven't. I don't. I don't want to say that I've like backed off as far as the standard go, but I think the standards thing goes. But I think that I've, um really leaned a lot more heavily into telling coaches like hey, make sure that this hour is like a really good time. Um, and I even talked to I talked to nicole christiansen a little bit about this um and I I alluded to the fact that I was like you know, I'm just such like. Am I like, am I the anti-fun guy? Am I the guy who's just like oh, we don't have fun in hunter Hunter's classes because he's too strict and straightforward and just militaristic about how he runs class? And she gave me kind of alluded to what she'll do is be like hey guys, I need you to give me like two minutes of your time, like give me two minutes of undivided attention where we're actually going to pay close attention to what we're doing, we're going to work on our movement or whatever, and then, once you start squatting, like have some fun, like that sort of thing. So to the roundabout way of answering your question is that I think I've, and I'm still working on this. I wouldn't say that I've crossed the the bridge on that fully, but it's much more a mindset of like like people, especially at the affiliate, like I see them almost every day.
Speaker 1:It's not like I think. A lot of times when people think about like high standard, they almost think like, oh, I need to run an L1 style class every single time and that's like a good, that's a good model to have. The problem with thinking about it in those terms is that when they're running, when you're running an l1, these are entirely brand new people that seminar staff is working on and evaluating. So when you see a seminar staff member like drilling the shit out of some poor bastard in an overhead squat hold with a pvc pipe overhead and it's just like that's a perfect overhead squat and flow master is still adjusting and tinkering with this person. It just like that's a perfect overhead squat and flow master is still adjusting and tinkering with this person. It's like that's an awesome standard to have, is like this is what we're shooting for.
Speaker 1:But at the affiliate, it's more realistic that you have seen these people move like dozens, if not hundreds, of times before, so you have a better idea of like what this person needs as far as like corrections and motivation and all that sort of stuff, and it becomes a lot less about the technical corrections and making sure that athletes are like resting exactly three minutes in between their sets and you're staying in between 75 and 85 percent of your one rep max, because that's the optimal range of in order to get strong. It's like motherfucker, no one cares. And at the affiliate level, it's even less important that we're dialed into the exact perfect nuance of that sort of thing, and more so like hey, we've got the general idea here. Like come in for this one hour of fitness, have fun, interact with your friends. Hour of fitness, have fun, interact with your friends.
Speaker 1:And you know, hopefully coaches is it has the wherewithal to let, let the people, let the people mingle and let them have fun and know when the time is to pull the athlete aside and be like hey, come here, let's talk about that.
Speaker 1:That set of back squats, like that was dog shit and I'll still tell them it's dog shit, but it's a much looser, like kind of friendlier. Yeah, let's make sure that this is a fun environment. We're not here to like be militant about the five by five progression over these six weeks. Like show up, let's have a good time, let's move well, because I want you to come back tomorrow and not get injured, but, like, I just want you to keep coming back and enjoy the class that you're taking and I think, um, I'd say that's the biggest thing that I've personally like had to kind of shift my mindset on in the last few years. And that also means like shift the mindset. Do it in my own classes also communicate that expectation to coaches, because they are either consciously or subconsciously doing what they think I want them to do which if everybody's a militant prick like me, like that's not a very much like everybody's going to get really fucking fit.
Speaker 2:But it might not be very much fun improving that area of our affiliate experience, If you don't think that that is a piece of the puzzle, then your head's buried in the sand, and I'm probably just thinking of it this way because it's part of something that I put in the notes of what I wanted to talk about today. But if we watched a hundred of our favorite coaches and we took all of the attributes that we watched a hundred of our favorite coaches and we took all of the attributes that we could come up with from each different one that they were really fantastic in, and put it into sort of a matrix of like, let's say, these are the nine attributes of a great CrossFit coach. Um, you know, you've, you've, you've made the I don't know what that fucking Thanos's glove is called, um, but you know, you put all the gemstones in it and snapped your fingers and Robert Downey Jr, whatever.
Speaker 2:So if you take all of those and you look at it and you're actually honest about whether you have the fixed or growth mindset in relation to each one and can be honest with yourself, that's how you can figure out how to be a better coach. And one of the ways, um that you can figure out whether you have a fixed mindset on something, um is okay. So you look at it and you say, no, I don't have a fixed mindset on that. Like, some people struggle with that exercise because they're they're seeing it from their own perspective, not from sort of behind themselves. And, as happens in a lot of coaches' lounges, someone walks into the coach's lounge and makes a comment about class.
Speaker 2:Jimmy's class was so fun, I really enjoyed that. And if you immediately go to Jimmy don't know shit, I know this, he doesn't know that, like, his warmup was dog shit, blah, blah, blah, then you have a fixed mindset in relation to your ability to deliver the amazing information that you have in a digestible form, in a way where people enjoy doing it. Right. If you don't have any fucking members, it doesn't matter how many knowledge bombs you can drop if they don't want to be there, that sort of thing. And then you figure out.
Speaker 2:As a coach, when I lean into this, I actually sometimes have a little bit more fun and I want to fucking go out there and do this class, because it's like a two-way street. It's being received in the way that I'm sort of putting it out there, so I think it's it's the kind of thing where I would be. I think it would be important because we're we're talking to listeners and not just one-on-one for you to realize that you are a very good coach, but this is an area where you could improve versus the narrative of like am I a prick?
Speaker 1:Yeah All right a prick. Yeah, all right yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, like that kind of thing Because, again, like you do take this very seriously, so if that's feedback that you get, you might lock in onto that one thing, like you wouldn't be the head coach at a community-based business if the narrative was Hunter's a prick and I don't want to take his class, like that would not actually happen.
Speaker 2:So, again, if you're listening to this and you're identifying with Hunter, you have to give yourself it's like I'm trying to remember where this comes from. It might be a Buddhist thing or whatever, but if you're wondering whether you're a good person or not, you're probably doing pretty well Shitty. People don't fucking worry about whether they're a good person. They might tell themselves that they are like that kind of thing. So if you're worried about how you're delivering one piece of that matrix, then there's a really good chance that you're on the right path because, like, we're never going to be perfect, we always want to iterate, we always want to improve. So I think that's a. I think that's a really good way to like. I'm sure with you it didn't have anything to do with the the clock turning over, but I just see all the shit that gets put out there early in the year and I try to like direct people into something that could actually make them better over the course of the year.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I mean I, I came in, I had to. I don't usually coach 7 30 on tuesday, but I came in, got in a handful of minutes early and I like it was fucking great. As soon as I open the door I can just like feel the walls shaking and I know Mark's coaching. I almost got up to take 615. And in hindsight I wish I had because like soon as I walked in there I was fucking ready to go walk over and hit my first set at 3 15 without a warm-up set and it was just like the fucking walls were bumping, like people were lifting heavy grunting mark's, like screaming at somebody to not be an idiot.
Speaker 1:But not in like a nice, like in the way that mark connects with his people and he's an he's an excellent I'd say he's a better coach than I am, um, but he, like it, was just like like fuck, that's a great fucking vibe, um, and I know it's also something that he's working on as well, and I think he probably just kind of took the, took the ball from what you know kind of how we've run things, especially when he got started. But, uh, he and I have talked a little bit about that too and just making sure that you know kind of how we've run things, especially when he got started, but he and I have talked a little bit about that too and just making sure that you know members are enjoying their time, morale is high and whatnot. And I do think that it starts that specific example. I think you can. I don't want to say the only way, but I'll say it for the sake of argument. The only way that you can get away with that is if you have the baseline technical knowledge to like, if all else fails, you do have the technical knowledge to bring athletes an excellent like hour of fitness that is going to move the needle for them, maybe in their, in their fitness on the day, maybe it's in their brain and how they think about fitness. Maybe they learn something new.
Speaker 1:But to your point, like I, you don't. I don't ever. I don't think I've ever heard athletes talking after class, mingling and say to themselves man, I learned so much today about the back squat. It's like the. The conversation is oh, that was wicked fun. Like I love the game that we played at the beginning of class. Or I love like the, the, quite like people. It was just like a great, great vibe or whatever it's. All it's it's about. People don't talk about the success of their five by three clean and jerk. They talk about how much fun the class was and if you know, you kind of think that's obvious.
Speaker 2:But um I like to think about it as like a recipe like the. The members not going to be like that hint of nutmeg really took it over the edge.
Speaker 1:It's the whole thing.
Speaker 2:Exactly it's the entire experience that they have and they're telling you about. This was good, this was bad, this was somewhere in the middle, like that kind of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I've had this class twice. I thought it was a great class, dude, I think you're.
Speaker 2:I hate that people can't hear what I'm about to say, but like taking your class is like going to like a three-star Michelin restaurant. You enjoy the meal. You know that the chef's like a no-nonsense kind of guy, but you enjoy it.
Speaker 1:That's why you need to know that. Thanks, man, I appreciate it. Yeah, I think every coach has to, like everyone had. If I, if I walked up, if I was in front of the 5 pm class and I was just being super silly and like I don't know, tell it cracking like jokes and shit like that, I don't know just down a bottle of nyquil in his office. Yeah, yeah, like. What the fuck is wrong with this guy? Like, what, like? Why is he so happy?
Speaker 1:you know, it's like yeah that you you still have to like everybody's got their own personality and you play to your strengths and I like it's not about swinging so far in the other direction. So I right, I understand what you're saying, but like you, you have to have you know equal parts of the nine things. That makes you know you're just like the 10 general physical skills. You're only as fit as you are proficient in all 10 of those skills. It's the same thing with coaching. Like you can be the most technically proficient, knowledgeable individual ever, but if nobody likes taking your class, it doesn't fucking matter.
Speaker 2:Truth, true, true, true. Yeah, all right, so it's fine, I've known.
Speaker 1:What about yours?
Speaker 2:Do you have an answer to that question? I do, yeah, Um, it's, it's a little general, but it's like super exciting for me. So I am currently teaching one of, at their request, one of our remote coaches, how I program um and from like like sheetsgooglecom knew like every single detail of how I program.
Speaker 2:And the idea of challenging myself to explain an idea that at one point was a hypothesis, like did it materialize into what I wanted to? Was it tested and put through the ringer? Because when you program in the way that we do for competitors, it's fucking complicated and there's a lot of moving pieces and you might've had an idea at one point that you really liked, based on a theory that you had, or one athlete, that sort of thing. So now going back through all of this and explaining all of it, like checking myself on every individual element of why I do something the way that I do, and then like I'm going through and pretending that I'm programming semifinals prep right now with with this coach and I've got my notes off to the side of of sort of how I go through things, but when I'm making those notes, like I have to believe in the thing every single time, cause I just like I'm not going to, like I don't know why I would.
Speaker 2:Maybe it would be the kind of thing where I think I'm smarter than everybody, but like I'm not gonna make something up, I'm not gonna like sell something, like I wanna really be able to explain why I do this and how it works and where it came from. So it's been really exciting for me to go in and audit those things in a way where it's like you really have to explain this, like, and certain things have changed, which is nice, which is nice, so like oh does this actually make sense, or there are certain things that are a rule that need to be a bit more fluid for the sake of other parts of the program improving.
Speaker 2:To take your and I'll look over at my board like split jerks are on Monday, Well, the program could be way better if two of the weeks they went to Thursday, like you know.
Speaker 2:That sort of thing and, like your aerobic rotation and your bitch work rotation and you know zone two running is on Mondays actually fits a little better on Thursdays until we hit this volume and then it needs to change to Monday, so things of that nature. So, um, I just a bit of a like reinvigoration of I am very thoughtful about the way that I program, but I'm swimming in my own perspective when I'm building a lot of this stuff. So to be able to challenge those things is something that's super fun for me because it makes you feel more creative in the moment, not like you're just going to go replicate something that you've already done.
Speaker 2:Yeah, that's a good one, all right, um, so we've known for a little while, but it was just announced. Um, we're recording this. Uh, on the sevens, just announced yesterday that that page got an invite to do the world fitness project, which is exciting 20 men, 20 women, um, for year, one.
Speaker 1:um, I basically so that honestly, this is kind of an roster of women.
Speaker 2:This is yeah, this is kind of an exercise. I'm going to attempt to explain this to hunter so that I understand it it is fairly straightforward, but because they're explaining how they're going to iterate on it, I'm just going to so for, like Paige, some ends of fans, let's see if we can tell you what the what's going on here. Hunter, you're actually very familiar, much more familiar than any of us to a tour sport.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Kid loves. Kid loves the PGA tour got started.
Speaker 1:Guy we need I need scheffler back in the mix, though still got a hand boo-boo yeah, he's okay. Uh, I'm gonna go 209.2 yeah, good news, he still has another like 212 weeks that he can do nothing and still be the number one player in the world.
Speaker 2:But yeah, um. So the idea in general is that we talk about it all the time. These athletes train their ass off and if one workout goes wrong in a qualifier, in a quarterfinal, in a semifinal, there's a chance that you you're waiting until next year. That is real tough, um. And even though there is your rogue, your w Wadapalooza, your Dubai, etc. The prestige, a version of quote unquote functional fitness, that could be a tour sport, because year one hasn't happened yet they have to. They're inviting their 20 pros on the men's and women's side, so 40 total athletes. So they are based on Rogue has that comprehensive ranking system. And then I think there are a few kind of wildcard invites based on certain things. They are asking people to sign on to this and it's pretty close to the top 20 men and women in the world in the sport based on finishes. There are athletes in the world in the sport based on finishes. There are athletes there's a little hubbub about whether Colton Mertens would get invited because he got screwed on his muscle-up lockout at whatever his semifinal last year, that sort of thing. But basically pretty damn close to the top 20 men and women. So where it gets cool is they're going to do online qualifiers for their tour events. So there's two tour events this year that are standard tour events and then one final, so three total.
Speaker 2:In year one the 20, there will be 30 athletes competing in each division and the online qualifier gets the top 10 people in that qualifier compete in the pro division. So they get just as much of a chance at points for the next season and to qualify for the final as someone that got invited. So those 10 people go in and do that. So that's your pro division People athletes 11 through 30, so basically the 20 athletes after are going to compete in the challenger division, which also gives points for the season. So, like, you could qualify. The example that they gave was you're not invited, you qualify and then take like fifth place in the pro division in event one. You don't qualify in event two, but you're in the challenger division. You can still accumulate points that would potentially get you into the top 30 for the final.
Speaker 2:That kind of thing, um, and I've always I would like to see it expanded um, because you're talking about 50 athletes, which is pretty good but still fairly close to the games. Um, I've always liked the idea of, of a system that shows who's next and like a really well constructed way. Um, the stories just don't really get told about your whatever 10th through 20th at semifinals, that kind of thing, like who's on the horizon for athletes, that sort of thing. So I like the idea of that. So again, year one, two regular events plus the final. The final, the top 30 in points, and again, this is how I understand it, so I'm getting it wrong, it is what it is the top 30 athletes in points over the course of those first two events go to the final. You get double points in the final and double money and your total points the top 20, get their pro card for the following year.
Speaker 2:Say that again. So year one, they had to do the invites. Year two is 100% based on points. Okay, so your event one, event two, your points. There you get double points for the final. All of that gets added together and the top 20 get invited to sign a contract for year two. They're guaranteed to get invited to all the events and then you just start this thing over. So it's truly merit-based. In terms of how long are their competitions, how many events are there? What does their programming look like? That's to me what creates the nuance and why it would be really important to only base it on the results of the World Fitness Project and not something else.
Speaker 1:How many events I'm looking, I'm seeing.
Speaker 2:Three total events in year one, one final two where there's like the online qualifier and all that good stuff.
Speaker 1:Dates and locations.
Speaker 2:Year two.
Speaker 1:The two world tour events have yet to be announced. However, it's rumored that the tour events will be in may and september, with the finals in december and I've been told that there are.
Speaker 2:It's us, then europe, then the finals are in the us.
Speaker 1:That's what I've heard and then you might have said this did can I qualify to get into one of those events? Is there? Is there like an online qualifier for me to get into those events? What is that?
Speaker 2:yes, or is that you do an online qualifier?
Speaker 1:accumulated in the rogue system so no.
Speaker 2:So. So the, the rogue system, or however they came up with their 20 and 20, that just locks those people in. They're automatically invited. 21 through 30 is the top 10 from the online qualifier. So, hunter Wood, no invite. Fuck you guys, I'm fucking going for blood.
Speaker 1:I'm going to qualify out of the online qualifier and then I'm going to come show you that I'm better than the athletes you invited okay, that's how I can get, and then I can get points, essentially, and if I sneak myself into the top 20, I can get my my tour card, so to speak, for the following season yeah, if you get into the top 30 in the first two events, you get invited to the final and then you have double points if you're in the 20, when it's all said and done, you get your pro card if you want it for the next season, if you sign the contract.
Speaker 1:And that just means you're automatically set up for the first two events, not the final you get is the tour card or the card include, like yes, yes, every event, every event.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, you automatically get that invite.
Speaker 1:And is the is the winner announced? Is the winner the most points after the final, or is it who wins the final? Is it like the points just get you to the final and then you, whoever wins the final, wins the final?
Speaker 2:That's a good question. The way that I understand it is if you take first in the final, you're the champion, and then your points get you the pro card for the next year. I don't actually know. I don't know if there are two different variations of it, like I finished first in the season versus I finished first in the final?
Speaker 1:Yeah, is there a scenario where I finished fourth in the points rankings, but I won the final, so do I win?
Speaker 2:That's a good question? I actually don't know, because I know it's double points. So the idea is, if you do win the final, it's weighted much heavier and you get double the money. And I do know that's based on placements If you get first, you get 70 grand or something like that for that specific competition. But is there a prize pool for coming first in the points? I don't actually know. But is there a prize pool for coming first in the points? I don't actually know. I think I feel like people look at this and don't ask those questions Cause they're like uh, adler, and to me like yeah, like they're going to win both. Um, but if we get a little bit more parody in the sport, I think that becomes a question.
Speaker 1:So I'm not actually sure how that part works? Is Toomey participating?
Speaker 2:Uh, I think that the the order of how they're releasing these is strategic for sure, I think they're announcing the athletes as a slow trickle to get people excited and, um, supposedly no one turned them down, according to their interviews 15 women's on this barbell spin article.
Speaker 1:So yeah, that's weird. Yeah, I wonder if that's the right, would you, would you?
Speaker 2:first or last release.
Speaker 1:Yeah, is it like hey Tia Toomey's in and all of?
Speaker 2:a sudden, everybody's like I'm in, or is it like?
Speaker 1:Tia Toomey's in like all right, see ya.
Speaker 2:Cool, I'll go. Thanks, I'm going to go sign up for the challenger division, yeah.
Speaker 1:I'll just sign up for the underwater basket weaving.
Speaker 2:So it's cool. I mean the. I think the longterm vision of it is they get, they get paid to be, to have a pro card. Outside of prize money, uh, they get travel stipends. Like it eventually is intended to be something where these athletes can actually make a living on this, or at least supplemented enough that they can go do it, because, obviously, traveling, at the very least you know you're looking at if you do both seasons once this expands, I mean you're looking at every other month You're traveling, something like that, or on average, every other month, that kind of thing. So, um, definitely something to to kind of take into consideration. But, um, like, anytime there's an opportunity for our athletes like, aside from how I feel about hq or the crossfit games versus this or that, like I'll give something like this the benefit of the doubt um, they have to like execute, the events have to be well run, the programming needs to make sense, the judging needs to be good, like if they want to be considered a professional entity in this way I would.
Speaker 1:I what's the what's like the mission of the whoop? I'm getting cut out here it says trying to reconnect yeah, I see it. Can you hear me? Am I still still?
Speaker 1:recording Um yeah, I think I like. So CrossFit games like find the fittest man and woman on earth Pretty straightforward Like goal. I would just I'm curious to know what the you know, the world fitness project like, what the mission looks like, what that is and is it just provide? Is it just to try to professionalize the sport of, of functional fitness? But again, like, I think the benefit to what I will continue to say, regardless of what people think about crossfit, is like crossfit has the methodology that is, that is the proprietary, that's the secret herbs and spices. That separates crossfit from any other bullshit training program the F45s, the orange fitnesses, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1:It's like the goal is to make you fitter. We have a definition of what fitness means. We have definitions with how to get there and it's like we know what health is. We know what the intention is, what's the? I would want to know what the. What do we try? What's the World Fitness? Want to know what the? What do we try? What's the world fitness project trying to achieve? And the benefit to saying crossfit like the crossfit games, the point is to find the fittest man and woman on earth. Well, there are a bunch of other trickle-down effects, the things that you said like well, we need to know what the tests are, and the tests need to be well-rounded such that the actual fittest man and woman on earth win. When you don't have that, when it's like grid, all of a sudden you get a bunch of specialists, or you know what is the. What is the purpose of the world fitness project, aside from provide these, you know, super high level fitness athletes to make a professional athlete's wage?
Speaker 2:it's tough to know how much of what they're saying is public relations versus long-term goals yeah, you have to be careful when you're, you know, doing your first press tour, like like they've they've been doing. Um, they're being very cordial thus far and saying, like we wanted this to. Like a lot of people think that this is a response to the to the 2024 crossfit games, and they're saying that the idea and the formation of this was prior to um and really just like an alternative option for athletes to be able to go compete more and earn more money, because the athletes want to be able to do that and fans of the sport want to be able to see more than just what they see so far. So I think that will be an important situation and like if it truly became a competitor, as we've seen in professional sports typically there's a merging of sorts, a buyout of sorts, like that kind of thing, so that kind of situation would be on the table.
Speaker 2:So, um, I the only thing I'll say about it is is I'm excited that page is doing it and I'll give them the benefit of the doubt, but I'm like I'll be right back on this podcast, being like they worked out for the longest they worked out for was 11 minutes, and I'm just like I did after a racing competition. So exciting that there's kind of a positive spin on something going on in the competitive community right now into this event. One you know qualifier thing gets us, you know, back in a place where it's like we don't know exactly what the future is. But we know we're not fucking gonna stop doing this.
Speaker 1:So let's get back to work yeah, yeah, it could, honestly, it could. It could just benefit. Crossfit, to be honest, is right. I mean like, if nothing else, the World Fitness Project at least has people's interest peaked in the sport of fitness, whereas if that didn't exist and the only kind of spotlight was just on CrossFit HQ, it's like I don't know, not a whole lot of positive headlines coming from or heading their way, coming coming from or heading heading their way. So, if nothing else, maybe it takes some heat off of hq and if it is successful, maybe maybe it reinvigorates interest in the, in crossfit's role in that. Or, like you said, maybe sometime down the road there's a, some sort of merging or, you know, a combined effort to, yeah, give, give athletes that avenue for professional competition.
Speaker 2:So last year was year number one of an event in Colorado Springs that was run by a long time misfit follower, misfit VIP, um, and it's called the purple mountain throw down. Um, and one of the, the goals that I sort of had for this um, one of the goals that I had for this, like right off the bat, was it would be really cool for there to be the kind of competition that had a little bit of like a misfit, like community event feel to it. Um, and you know, year one, we programmed the event um got really good feedback on on sort of how that was executed and what the competition looked like. Um, and and I was unable, you know, due to other um commitments, to be as involved as I'd like to be. But, um, I'll say right off the bat we we have no financial like link to this, but I love the idea of a lot of misfits from all over the country and who knows, if you know, if it's all over the world, do you have the means to get over here for for a competition. But, um, I would love for a ton of misfits to sign up and then for Preston to be able to come to me and say look at this list and I hop on a on a plane and go out there, and you know I would be happy to do pop-ups and free seminars and, you know, give away t-shirts, whatever it is. But, um, I think this is a really good opportunity for us to be able to say, like you guys should sign up for this thing so that we can all hang out, because we know the programming's going to be good. Um, because we wrote it. So it's something that we can kind of get behind from that standpoint.
Speaker 2:So it's June 21st through the 22nd in Colorado Springs. I think you can fly into the Springs, but it's also not that far from Denver and Denver is a pretty major hub, so you could fly in there and registration opens actually in a couple of days. So just go to social, social media team. So there is individual team and scaled versions of both on that side. Team is partner, though. Um, I believe it's male, male, female, female, I should, I should know that. Um, but off the top of my head, based on last year, that's what it'll be. So there's options for everybody. Um, and again, like there's. No, I'm not saying this because you know I I'm asking Preston to give me 10% off the top of how many tickets we can get.
Speaker 2:Like, I just like the idea of congregating in a competitive atmosphere be something. I think that would go really well, alongside us doing a training camp or two every year, that sort of thing. So, um, we'll talk about it a little bit more. Um, you know, over the course of the year, and we can chat about it in discord, but I would love to see a ton of misfits sign up for the purple mountain throwdown. Um, I feel like June that's six months away have time to sort of make some plans to be able to get there and do it. Um, and again, if, uh, if, preston comes to me and says, look at these names, you know these names, um, I'm going to get on a plane and get my ass out there and hang out with the misfits. So, um, just something I wanted to, wanted to throw out there. It's something that, um, I think could be a cool event for for misfits to to gather together every year.
Speaker 1:It's a pretty cool venue and setup that they had right.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Some outdoor stuff. Last year we programmed what was there? A trail.
Speaker 2:Trail 5K, where you had to snag a sandbag and run up a mountain at one point.
Speaker 1:So you're not just exercising in one spot under a pull-up bar. It's a pretty cool setup that they have.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I'm sending your asses back outside. Spoiler alert you will not be staying inside. That Rocky Mountain air needs to be taken into the lungs directly from the trail. I'm going to make you run up. So registration opens on January 15th. Competition is June 21st through the 22nd and actually, if you're a local athlete, if you're in that area, they're going to be doing some pop-ups at gyms where we are going to be programming some group-style workouts that are going to be really shitty and have hints towards what the programming is going to look like in them. Okay, hmm, I'm a little torn here. So we are at one hour and four minutes into the episode. Um, we're normally I don't know, sebastian, what are we? An hour, 15 hour, 30? Like, what do we normally add on these? Um hunter, you see this stuff that I have that I have laid out here. Do we try to explain it in the next 10 minutes or do we save it for?
Speaker 1:another episode. I feel like this, honestly, could be a an episode on its own yeah for being totally honest so that's fair that's fair.
Speaker 2:I could go to the bottom.
Speaker 1:I was gonna say is the perfectionism bullet point here. Is that a standalone?
Speaker 2:topic. Yeah, it's kind of a separate thing.
Speaker 1:I feel like that middle chunk is a good potential outline for an entire episode, not a 12 minute, so we'll tease that a little bit.
Speaker 2:An expectation setting exercise that I try to do in January of every year, after coming up with a bastardized version of it on this podcast. We're sort of talking about different athletes and what they go through from the expectation standpoint over the course of a season and then having some pretty intense conversations with athletes. Um, you, you start to understand that psyche and the ability to um, maybe rewrite the narrative a little bit. So we'll we'll save that for another episode. Um, this is something from a course that I'm currently taking, um, where at the beginning of the like so essentially the way that it works I receive a written version of talking about perfectionism, read through it and then there is a group call and it's one of those things where sort of alluded to it earlier in the episode where you read the thing, you go, that's not me, like I'm just not like that and then you hear the drawn out version of it in different examples and you realize, like there's probably a place where you're doing this to yourself.
Speaker 2:Um, and I just thought the way that it was explained had this unique spin on it. Um, because a lot of people who struggle with perfectionism in a certain facet of their life, would not consider themselves a perfectionist generally across the board that kind of thing. So it's like someone asks you hunter, are you a perfectionist? What is your answer to that question?
Speaker 1:black and white yeah, uh it's complicated I don't think so it's complicated, I would say right might be closer to one than I would. Be above average perceived closeness to it, yeah right.
Speaker 2:I actually think so. By the definition of the way I'm going to explain this. Someone like that that might consider themselves a perfectionist is the opposite. So the idea would be we can visualize in any part of our life where we want to be. You talked about a certain aspiration as a coach. We talked about aspirations that people have with back squats or diet or whatever it is, and the only version that should exist or that we should work towards is there is a standard that we are currently unable to meet and we iterate and we fail and we succeed and we take two steps back and nine steps forward and we do that whole messy thing to try to improve ourselves. And then wouldn't you fucking believe it? That mountaintop that you set, you got to it and you looked up and there's a way bigger mountain next to it, right? So we just this process where we're iterating over and over um and trying to get there.
Speaker 2:So someone like that that is always trying to improve might consider themselves a perfectionist, but when I'm thinking about it from this newer perspective that I have on it, it's the person that sets this crazy it. It's the person that sets this crazy, unrealistic expectation for themselves on January 1st, that they're going to measure every grain of rice, every gram of food that they're going to eat for the next 365 days and they're going to be fucking shredded and they're going to get it perfect. And then they fuck up and they're done, and it's like you don't know what nutrition coaching is. Nutrition coaching is uh, I got a little bit better and then I fucked up and you helped me get back on track. The fucking up is literally an incredibly important part of the process to iterate and figure out what works for you, so that you're not on a diet and you're just figuring out the best way to live your life as a healthy, happy human being.
Speaker 2:So it's like where in your life do you set those unrealistic expectations? Like I'm doing two a days now. Why, bob, bob? There's no reason for you to do fucking two a days, pal. And then he doesn't do two days once and you don't see him in the gym for a month because he feels shitty about himself. So it's like that's the version of. So it's like, where in your life are you, are you doing that as a human being? And it reminds me of something that we've already hinted towards is the matrix that I try to do, which is another exercise of like where in my life do I have the fixed mindset versus the growth mindset and how can I improve on that thing, because it's always going to be there? There is something like, by definition, you have a fixed mindset across the board.
Speaker 1:If you think you don't have one, yeah, like, like it's complicated, like that yeah, the I think you're the point you made about like, hey, the, the failing element, or you know the the I you know, instead of measuring every grain of rice today like I fucked it up, and instead of viewing that as like, oh, I failed, it's like like if, if you're making the claim that that's a failure, then the only version of success that you had was 100% adherence, 100% of the time until you met the goal exactly how you defined it, as opposed to the idea that, like you know, you cannot add five pounds a week to your five by five back squat forever in perpetuity. That'd be really cool, but it doesn't happen, right there have to be weeks where, like this, is just too heavy.
Speaker 2:It can also be boring. I know I'm going to hit this. Yeah, exactly, and it's like that's part like this is just too heavy. Also be boring. I have to.
Speaker 1:I know I'm gonna hit this. Yeah, exactly, and it's like that's, that's part of the I think that's obviously kind of part of the journey is is that failure and the like? You learn from that? And then you make the adjustment, moving forward and then, lo and behold, the you would, you adjusted and you were trending in the right direction and then, because you adjusted, you hit a failure point that you didn't anticipate and it's like okay, well, I need to adjust off that. And then we keep, and then all of a sudden, we keep moving forward again.
Speaker 1:And it's that, that constant iterative process, and I mean I like there are so many areas that I it's like as soon as, as soon as you run into like a little bit of resistance, you're like ah, fuck, like. And it's like as soon as, as soon as you run into like a little bit of resistance, you're like ah, fuck, like. And it's difficult, like, and we, we talk about it all the time as if we're like these fucking gurus about like, ah, yes, I've encountered the resistance. This is a fantastic opportunity to test my mental fortitude. It's like yeah, more often than not, it's like for me it's like throw the papers up in the air and like, fuck this shit, like I'm out of here and like, and then the pushback to that is the triggering question is okay, Hunter, so you're fucking perfect.
Speaker 2:This is the first time you failed. You're a fucking perfect human being.
Speaker 1:Congratulations, How's that going for you and then you can start to examine like huh.
Speaker 2:To examine like huh Cause it's. That's why I do the matrix thing, because you can be fully bought in on the correct version of this concept in so many areas of your life and still not realize that you're acting like a fucking buffoon in another spot, where you're like now you're, you're perfect Every time you go out there and you're like this. This metcon is going to be six minutes and 37 seconds. 636 final rep ta-da I fucking told you, I'm perfect, right and like.
Speaker 2:That's a pretty triggering question, I think, for a lot of people that struggle with this it's like I actually feel the opposite about myself. I feel like I'm the biggest fucking failure on earth, because I couldn't find my scale and I said fuck it, and I had a cookie. So you're done with cookies. You're never going to have a cookie again.
Speaker 2:You're perfect. Congratulations and getting far enough down the rabbit hole in these things to check yourself is incredibly important, and you're going to keep finding them. It's just still going to be places where you're stuck and there's places where you're going to improve and it's like the never-ending linear progression of all things, but, I think, a very important thing to check yourself on.
Speaker 2:That's why I just love. I love that we don't have a huge beginner's class here in January, because I go to take a piss and I walk out and there's 30 people back squatting in a room together that don't have a new year's resolution related to like, I'm going to the gym a hundred times a week this year. They're just back doing the thing and it's like hell. Yeah, some days I feel good, some days I feel bad. Some days I'm strong Some days.
Speaker 2:I'm weak, like I need to stretch more. Stop drinking, whatever the fuck.
Speaker 1:it is Like that iterative process is so on display out there in the gym that I think it's easier for us to buy into in different parts of our life because, like here, it's almost like please just show up we got oh yeah, you just got examples of it every day, like every single person every day is an example of that and it's like all right, well, if, if they can do it, like I can do it, and I think that's part of the right, obviously, the, the harnessing of the community, whether it's here or your, your community community at your gym, whatever it is.
Speaker 2:Frank misses one day, one fucking day. Two months in and he tells you he's canceling his membership. How are you going to respond to that as a coach? And then, as a coach, you also are a human and have a personal life. Where are you doing that shit? Where are you doing that?
Speaker 1:We had a. We had a beginner who, let's see, did he take beginner's class? See, did he take beginner's class. I think he took beginner's class and then he came to the gym twice, like once or twice for class and he's he's like. He was probably like a 45 year old dude who, like he's like a trail runner, so he's reasonably fit, but not very strong, not particularly mobile, lots of things to work on, like I don't know every single other person who comes into the gym. And he emailed us. He was like I'm canceling, my ego can't take having to scale these things.
Speaker 2:And it was like yikes, the alternative is never getting better at least.
Speaker 1:I mean at least he's honest that my ego can't take it. So I'll give him maybe a little bit of credit there, but it was like it was less than three classes. And he had to get it was like oh, we're going to modify this. We're going to use some lighter weight here and like it's just the email like I'm going to cancel. I'm going to go focus on something else. I can't, my ego can't take it. He was like I said. He was straightforward about it.
Speaker 2:It was he specifically blamed his own ego for when keeping it real goes wrong, like yeah, I don't know, that's like good job for admitting self-aware to a fault, I guess. Damn, that's rough. All right, dude who did that? Please come back. We got you. We can fucking do this.
Speaker 1:You can't do it on your own, Come on.
Speaker 2:Jeff. Come on, jeff, all right, I don't know that we can have final thoughts to a meandering episode like that thank you for tuning into another episode of the misfit podcast. You can head to misfit athleticscom Get yourself over to fitter for that 14 day free trial, get started on open prep or phase three. You can also head to team misfitcom and get signed up for our affiliate programming.
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