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The GPP Revolution - E.350
What does it really mean to do "whatever it takes" to achieve your fitness goals? The answer might surprise you. In this wide-ranging conversation, the Misfit coaches explore how elite athletes like Rory McIlroy overcome mental barriers while revealing their newest programming innovation that's been years in the making.
The team unpacks McIlroy's Masters victory through the lens of coaching psychology, drawing powerful comparisons between golf's highest levels and the CrossFit competitive landscape. They share candid insights about managing narratives, expectations, and the voices in your head during competition – lessons applicable far beyond sports.
After years of requests, Misfit Athletics has finally unveiled their GPP program – a comprehensive approach to fitness that prioritizes sustainable, long-term results over competitive extremes. At $29/month, this programming answers the call for former competitors, busy professionals, and fitness enthusiasts who want exceptional results without sacrificing their bodies. The coaches explain their revolutionary "Meathead Monday" concept that combines strength training with aerobic conditioning in a time-efficient format that's already generating enthusiasm among early adopters.
The conversation shifts to an analysis of the M@^#3m Classic programming, where athletes faced an unprecedented volume of squatting across multiple events. The hosts explore whether this represents a deliberate test, a programming bias, or something more significant about the evolution of elite CrossFit competition. They express concern about the widening gap between what top athletes can handle and what's appropriate for the average CrossFitter.
Whether you're seeking sustainable fitness, coaching insights, or perspectives on the evolving CrossFit landscape, this episode delivers practical wisdom from coaches who understand the delicate balance between pushing limits and maintaining longevity.
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Good morning, misfits. You are tuning into another episode of the Misfit Podcast. The boys are back. We have a brand spanking new program, talk a little bit about the Mayhem Classic and then, if we have time for some CrossFit HQ online semifinals drama, why not dig into that? Have a little bit of fun with it. What do we got going on here? All right, I'm off my rhythm rhythm. It's obviously been a little while since we've talked to you guys. Um, before we get into life chat, uh, programming schedule.
Speaker 2:The misfit affiliate cortez phase starts monday, may 12th. This is kind of the official start to the 2025-2026 program, um, where we get into some of the certain biases and I'll give a little teaser before the Misfit Affiliate Programming episode comes out. There's a little bit of running in there so you can see if you can figure out what Cortez means, and we'll drop that in that podcast. Also, misfit Athletics Off-Seseason block two starts Monday, may 26th. Same thing We'll get into a full episode on that. Talk about sort of the transition from offseason block one to offseason block two and then, if anybody's going to be a new subscriber, how to attack that, how to choose the strength or the conditioning bias track Life chat. Gentlemen, it's been a while. What's going on?
Speaker 1:It's been a minute, yeah. In the long hiatus that we've had, Rory McIlroy completed his Grand Slam. It was a monumental Sunday for golfers. Oh, my goodness, I would say too, like any non-golf, any casual sports fan who paid the masters are big enough for that any concept of how important that was. That was a. Probably I was. I've told a couple people I think that was probably like independent of, like coaching and work-related stuff probably the most invested in a sporting event I've ever.
Speaker 2:I've found myself, um, certainly in like the last decade like sure, and one thing that's interesting about that is the coaching and the competing in the world that you live in enhances the viewership of that, because I'm not really I I'm not a golfer, I don't really watch golf, but just the idea of someone being as good as he is at something and then having to overcome narratives and all of that, it's just fascinating.
Speaker 1:Yeah, um, so that was that was a uh, that was very exciting. Um, and yeah, in the life chat, um, I am in fact no closer to the Masters than I was. So for anybody wondering about my, my journey and my Grand Slam hopes, I'd say the statistical probability has not increased.
Speaker 2:But can we get? Can we get like? Can we get, get like a uh, main senior tournament like grand slam? Can we come up with one? Yeah, I think you know what I mean. Like you win the fucking none.
Speaker 1:Such classic tpc none such classic, hosted a tuesday morning at 9 am. It's only nine holes. There's two people competing, so fuck yeah, I think we could find a uh, find a local grand slam to uh to create and for me to win as the only competitor.
Speaker 2:But explain to the lay person how rory can make the shots that he makes and miss the shots that he misses. They don't really go together. It's fucking wild. Some of those shots he made were like you know, I don't, I don't know the history of golf, but like some of the best shots that I've ever seen in a pressure situation reminded me a lot of some of the shit that tiger used to do, where you're just like yeah, what the fuck is happening?
Speaker 2:and then he's like there's I've heard like the thing of like like good rory and bad rory being on his shoulder yeah and like him trying to fight that and his caddy trying to help him out and everything, and it's just every once in a while it's like this is too easy. Let me miss this putt.
Speaker 1:I think my best yeah, I think I feel like my best comparison is almost like a like an early days Matt Frazier, who could absolutely annihilate the field by dozens of pounds in a given lift and then somehow in another event, drop an absolute egg, and I guess that would probably be my closest for the listener to describe that like a tremendous level of talent and just like not being able to put things.
Speaker 1:It's even tough because, like frazier was, frazier's was more just like I don't know how to do crossfit but I'm yeah, rory knows how to golf, he knows how to golf, um, but he spent a lot of time and I think this is like relevant for any athlete but he spent a ton of time um, in the off season one, like kind of working his weaknesses. So one of the things that he worked a ton on is, um, his wedges, his wedge play and the ability to you can fucking tell different trajectories.
Speaker 1:Like for for non-golfers, you want to be able to hit kind of like what you would call windows. So if you had like nine windows, imagine kind of like a giant, a tic-tac-toe board in the sky, being able to hit a ball that goes in those nine kind of windows or those nine squares on the tic-tac-toe board, that's kind of like uh, you'll hear professional golfers talk about the windows and that's something that he worked on. But I think he also got, um, from what I heard, a good bit of guidance from Bob Rotella, who's a pretty well-known sports psychologist who's worked with a ton of athletes from different sports, like talking Michael Jordan, like super high-profile guy, because I think that was part of it and he's also just having the expectations that he had um for the last decade. Essentially like that just compounds every year. So you can you can pretty easily understand why somebody with that much talent and that many expectations um, you know, winning four majors as a super young athlete and then going 10 years without winning one uh starts to make everybody, including himself, question if he can actually do that.
Speaker 1:So it was pretty fun to watch. I watched kind of from like from a coaching perspective, like over on sunday I I think that, like his, his body language was really was pretty impressive. Like at no point did. Did it change drastically from one, you know from from a really tough start on hole, literally the first hole, um, like it didn't really change and all the way to the point where he had to make some absolutely wild clutch plays. Um, he can, he slung a, slung a seven iron 200 yards around a fucking tree, uh, but then he misses a yeah, that's.
Speaker 3:I mean, that's kind of what I'm talking about 125 yard wedge.
Speaker 1:So he uh he, he had to earn it for sure, but, um, I think anybody anybody who's trained or competed in something and had to earn every bit of a victory or a kind of a mission accomplished thing, knows that it's it's worth it. So it was really cool to watch like all those things come together for an elite athlete.
Speaker 2:Um, on the stage that that that was it gives us so much like we could do it. We could definitely do a full episode on this, like the, the narratives of like you think about it from a CrossFit perspective. It's complicated. It's complicated to be in the spotlight at all times and having other people tell you how good you are or how good the training program you are, or is that you're on, and all of these different things. And then throughout the weekend, what are you consuming? Who's speaking to you? What are the things that are happening? What voice in your head is taking over? Like. One of the stories that I heard is his caddy um going into the playoff was like if I told you monday that we would be going into the playoff, you would have been so happy right sure like, like what, what are we doing?
Speaker 2:you know what I mean and these narratives, and I can't fathom what it's like to experience the level of other people fucking, like, chirping at him for as long as they have one of five people ever in a kajillion year old sport to do what he's done right like so absurd six now and like six now, um, and it's just like, like, even as coaches, you like, we'll buy into a narrative like that when, when it's not something that we have the context for, when we have the context, it becomes our job to say those kinds of things.
Speaker 2:And luckily the caddy is like I. I find that to be fascinating too, the whole caddy game is wild like like listening to the listening to the players.
Speaker 2:There's a there's a sports podcast that I listen to that has a decent amount of golfers on it and like a lot of the conversations that they have are about the caddies and like you know, being the thermostat and all that, like that's such a huge, such a huge part of it. So I I just am endlessly fascinated with stuff like that because I should know better. But then there's like a part of me that thinks it's hilarious that he keeps he kept self like sabotaging himself, like there's just that little part of me but then like like him falling to his knees and having that reaction is like like you and I have experienced similar feelings.
Speaker 2:I'm sure there's a heightened thing when it's on that level of like a scale, but it's just like you understand what, where that release would come from oh, yeah, the amount of work, the amount of pressure like he's about, like he's just trying to make it through an episode of Bridgerton before he falls asleep at night.
Speaker 1:Yeah, like the narrative on his, you know entire career changes. There it's, it's. It's no longer like you know exceptional start to the career and then a whole lot of close calls and then a whole lot of close calls. It's now exceptional start to the career, a whole lot of outstanding finishes and top performances in massive tournaments and career Grand Slam. Just happened to be a decade later. It's a complete narrative switch for him, so I'm really curious to see how he plays moving forward.
Speaker 2:Yeah, is this unburdened? Do we get to see unburdened Rory now? I'm really hoping so. I'd love to see how he plays. Yeah, is this the? Is this unburdened like? Do we get to see unburdened rory?
Speaker 1:now. I'm really hoping so. I'd love to see him just absolute now that he's, you know the first. The first thing he asked in his press conference was what are you going to talk about for the next year to the media? Basically like, yeah, you don't.
Speaker 2:Like nobody can say scotty can't win the masters. Yeah, scotty.
Speaker 1:Yeah, apparently not I guess, um, but yeah, I'm, I'm really hopeful that, like all of a sudden, he's just gonna prove to be the, you know, one of the top two best players on the planet and just go on an absolute. He's already kind of like. The first half of his season has started like that with the wins that he's chalked up. So the, the stage is definitely set for a scotty scheffler, like year for rory mcelroy, um, but it'll be cool.
Speaker 2:The one thing that I'll say that is funny is and I man, I hope you, the people listening to this, love this uh part of the podcast. But, um, what doesn't bode well for rory is scotty looked like shit and came in fourth. Like watching him, he looked bad and that was better than basically everyone in the world which is like he just kept
Speaker 2:like and you could see his body language and it wasn't defeatist, it was basically I'm better than this. Like that's what I saw on him when he'd miss a putt that shouldn't miss, or like I don't know the. I mean, some of the stuff with golf is just like the ball hits the green and then does some wacky shit and you're like, is that really here fault?
Speaker 2:Yeah like that kind of thing. But I just I found that to be like like that was the narratives, like Scotty wasn't even in place, got it wasn't a big deal.
Speaker 1:Scotty came in fourth at the Masters, which it's kind of. He did that this last weekend too. He's just like he's just constantly trolling around in the top five like I had a bad weekend, I'm in the top five, yeah, it's like uh, yeah, so I don't even know where to go with my life chat.
Speaker 2:To be honest, seven I were at seven, I were at mayhem, um. Then I got a wisdom tooth yanked out, which I don't know. It was a bit of like a slow burn, like it wasn't that bad, but it's kind of annoying to have your mouth hurt for like a week and a half, like not, there was. No, I didn't have any bouts of like intense pain like if I was a moron and like chewed on that side. It was a problem.
Speaker 1:Um, so I guess that was fine, um you, you, you relegated to sip and slim fast, or what Um chew?
Speaker 2:I could eat. I so I could. I definitely understand if someone got all four, if it felt like that in four places in my face. That felt like that in four places in my face. That'd be a problem because, like, if you don't take a bunch of anti-inflammatories, it like makes its way out in every direction. So like you have a headache on, like like the side of your head and and all that jazz. So, um, I can understand why but?
Speaker 2:because, like because it was just like localized, I could shove food to the other side, but nothing where there was like any amount of getting your jaw involved, like if I had to like crunch, if I was eating like a steak. I actually did have a steak on vacation and it was a little too soon, like it's just a little too soon, um. So yeah, that wasn't really that big of a deal, but then, like a week later I was like this is kind of annoying, like I've had enough. Also, if you're watching on YouTube, I'm standing up right now.
Speaker 2:I'm in one of my spots right now where if I sit for more than 20 minutes my back just fucking locks up and I got to go like take a walk or I got to go get on a fan bike and spin for a little bit to get the spasms to stop. So I'm guessing I the same, the same discs, disc or discs just keep kind of popping their head out a little bit. The huge pain in the ass. So I'm fucking like getting into split stance here and standing on one foot, standing on the other, kind of moving around. So backs, backs, a little bit of an issue. I have the rite of passage now of traveling with a sick toddler on an airplane that was congratulations, that was something, yeah.
Speaker 2:Achievement unlocked for sure. That was something he the like. The real crescendo at the end his is. He puked all over maya as the plane was landing in miami you didn't tell me that that's good stuff, carter.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, yeah, he, the cherry on top was just and I don't honestly don't even think he puked because he was sick, because he just had kind of like a common cold, but you could tell his ears were like like really hurting and basically we were just passing him back and forth because he was screaming. Um, and I told hunter this yesterday but said the woman in front of me was recording him like crying with just just her face on the camera and trying to get like free miles and shit from delta. It's like at delta you better blah, blah, blah, like this crying ass baby has been crying the whole flight like I was just like what the fuck?
Speaker 3:dude, that's insane.
Speaker 2:I mean, we're so obnoxious but the funny thing is is I was like at that once I saw it I was kind of spying on her. A lot of drama in this woman's life, a lot of drama.
Speaker 3:Yeah, she was cooking on all fronts was she the one that has like the size 32 font on her phone so everybody could read it on the plane probably yeah, yeah that happens often yep, and it's funny because people will turn on you on a plane.
Speaker 2:They'll be like he's so cute, oh, is he okay? And then like I've had enough of this fucking kid I don't know, dude, it's part of life.
Speaker 3:Like kids are gonna be kids, you just gotta roll with the punches. It's never I don't.
Speaker 2:What are you doing on an airplane without headphones?
Speaker 3:that's yeah, 100, true. What are we? What's going on with you?
Speaker 2:yeah, I don't know. Um, yeah, you get a different. Like I'm sure at some point when I was really young, if I like sat next to a crying baby, I was probably personally a baby about it. You get a different once you're a parent. You get a different like you feel bad because it's like not fun. But I will say one travel day, no, no, bueno, first day there. So so, and then after that the kid got to go to the beach, in the pool every day and he was as happy as can be, so we'll take it it. And then the ride back.
Speaker 2:We had the usual bullshit. They got us a new airplane because ours was broken. And it's funny because it was like immediate, it was too good to be true. It was like maintenance issue, we're going to send you down to this other gate and you're good to go. Plane's already there. We're done, we get on the plane. They're like this plane was supposed to go to chicago. It has too much fuel on it. We need to remove 3 000 gallons or pounds or something of fuel. And I was like why, like I, it probably costs more to fly with a heavier plane takes more fuel if you have more fuel, kind of a thing.
Speaker 1:But like, so what literally be a cap on the weight of the yeah plane in the air?
Speaker 2:so, um, yeah, so they bring the, they bring the fuel truck over and the monitor's broken, and then they bring the maintenance people over and it turns out there's like a union fight going on. There's like certain members of this are trying to unionize. So we sat on the plane for hours, which was supposed to be a 50 minute flight from LaGuardia to Portland, and by the time we got him on and off the plane and we had skipped nap time, that flight was like so-so, I'd say. I'd say middle of the road. But understandable, he's basically just voicing everyone's inner thoughts at that point.
Speaker 3:Someone's got to do it, yeah.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, that's my life chat. I don't know if there's anything, anything ultra specific there, but I'm back, um, even though my back hurts and my two thirds I am invigorated, ready to rock. Um, I've got two shout outs that I wanted to do before we get into some of the topics of the episode. The first one is a shout out and like a bit of a plea. So the Masters community on Discord during semifinals was awesome, like one of the better times on Discord to see people. They were sharing strategies and talking through the workouts what order they were going to do. You know, we did the the stage thing, which is basically just like a live video where I talk to people about the strategy of the workouts.
Speaker 2:Um, and that is part of the power of how this program could work even better for you, and there's like sort of just a nod to everyone and then a master's community as well, of like trying to stay involved on a more regular basis.
Speaker 2:And I sort of thought about this a little bit more because a higher level athlete was talking to us about following our programming and one of the things that I was pitching as an advantage that I think is important is having crossover with other athletes within the program. So there's like a narrative that's out there of like your program needs to be, like absolutely 100% custom for you, or it's not what you want. And I believe that putting athletes on an island doing their own programming and not crossing over with you know a Metcon, an interval, a bitch work piece, whatever with other people, you end up losing some of that magic and, over a longer trajectory, are going to be less successful. No-transcript with the community and that side of things is completely free. Like you go there, you have the conversations, um. So yeah, stay involved. I think you'll be fitter for sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll just tack onto that briefly with the. The shout out um for and all all applies to master's athletes, but all all three of my semifinals, master's athletes, but all all three of my semi-finals. Master's athletes had a had a really outstanding weekend. Um, bull all or tony and kelly have been been with me for a handful of years now. Tony um, you know, had a, had a handful of highlights, including snatching 215, five more times than he ever did in his entire life. Um, it was a, it was. I mean, that was like. That was the one small thing, but the larger um kind of overall review of the entire weekend for him was that we, we worked on specific things and those things got better and he did well at semiifinals because of that.
Speaker 1:Um he spent a shitload of time and effort, um, with things like taking just taking notes during like training, like much more deliberate, with kind of like a like a journal type, you know recording athlete notes type stuff, um. So just there's just a much more kind of focused effort. There wasn't more training per se, um, but much more focused than in previous years and that paid off in spades for him this um this whole year. And then um kelly, who's like had uh ups and downs both in and out of the gym. You know we've had.
Speaker 1:I feel like we've had this conversation multiple times over the last couple of years with Kelly, who feels like she's not prepared for the next level of competition and then promptly sneaks comfortably into that top 30 women who are, you know, just pending.
Speaker 2:It's what we call a gamer.
Speaker 1:Absolutely, and she, she proved that. She was that all weekend um with, with a whole lot of other shit going on, and then uh, justin lasala, just being justin lasala, uh doing doing his usual thing, just snagging a top 10 at semifinals, not all that worried about it. Um, getting ready to roll for for the game. So really good showing for, like you said, our masters athletes. But needed to give a a bit of a shout out to those guys for a hell of a performance. The last, the other weekend for sure.
Speaker 2:Um, so one thing one conversation that I have with a lot of athletes that have big aspirations is this idea of are you willing to do whatever it takes and an athlete believing that they understand the context of that question and then realizing whatever it takes might not look exactly like what you think it does. Exactly like what you think it does and whatever it takes. Related to Tony was a great segue was his athlete IQ and taking those notes and having a deeper understanding of the sport that he's playing. Right, yeah, hunter's talking about these. Nine windows, like the equivalent of that into CrossFit, are all of the intricacies of how movements interact with one another, how energy systems work, what are your strengths, what are your weaknesses, what can you ask of yourself at competition time compared to training time? All those different things and you know whatever it takes. Yeah, I'm willing, coach, I'm gonna run through a brick wall actually.
Speaker 2:No, get a fucking pen and a notebook what yeah, um, and then we got yesterday couch stretch'm the couch stretch guy, exactly. Yeah, I mean, that's a huge one for so many people.
Speaker 2:They're like well, you know, I kind of would prefer to bench press versus couch stretch and it's like, yeah, whatever it takes, probably isn't what you think it is. So yesterday on Instagram, a really good representation of this, something that I put into the programming notes, and I was wondering if it disappears into the ether or if people pay close attention to it. Um, bailey Thomas posted on Instagram a story about her handstand holds. Um, and I don't know if you want to pull that up for a sub to just the just the picture that I sent over Um, um, basically like the idea of I'm trying to get better. Maybe there's some issues with you know, pressing endurance.
Speaker 2:Um, I'm not going to be able to. Oh, there we go, all right. So, um, the first time that she did the five minute handstand hold, um, it took her nine minutes and can barely hold for a minute at a time. And she just got it done, um, a handful of weeks later, in six minutes and 15 seconds. Two minutes and 15 seconds, 130 and 115. Those are her three windows there.
Speaker 2:And again, like you see something like that on Instagram and you might not think much of it, right, because it's not like a 10 pound snatch PR, it's not, you know, 20 seconds off your mile time, whatever it is, it's one of those things that pays dividends over a long period of time that you have to look at, as you know, the same sort of one foot in front of the other, delayed gratification, linear progression type stuff, and those are the kinds of things that I want to see people post about so that we can shout it out Um, because it's not always just, are you willing to do extra volume? Are you willing to grind through a shitty, you know volume squat set or push hard in your last few rounds of your interval, that sort of thing.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's awesome. One of those like low hanging fruit things that people would just rather like. Why not? Why not just do the, the competitor, extra in class instead of sit in a bottom of a squat or kick up into a handstand and stuff like that? So good.
Speaker 2:Yep, absolutely All right. So, um, today is Tuesday, April 22nd. We had a brand new program launch Monday April 21st, Our GPP program, something that the likes of CrossFit people on Reddit have been asking us for for like a decade on Reddit have been asking us for for like a decade. We've had hatchet modifications in Garage Crew and anywhere during lockdowns and all of that, but those were modifications of something intended for a competitor every single time. And our affiliate program is intended to be a class and based on equipment and based on exactly an hour of time and all of these different factors that we have to put into place, Things like staggering and can you go from this to this and you got to herd cats and all of that stuff.
Speaker 2:So it was a long time coming to have our GPP program, which doesn't really matter what it means. It stands for general physical preparedness. I wanted to keep it because I think if the people that are on the program listen to the podcast, it'll resonate with who we are as coaches, get a little bit of buy-in into the nerdy side and the fact that we are trying to synthesize down some bigger concepts within strength and conditioning and health and wellness into a program. So it is live now. Go to the link in bio Misfit Athletics on Instagram. It is live now. Go to the link in bio Misfit Athletics on Instagram. It is our most affordable option that we have on there it's $29 a month.
Speaker 2:And before we talk about the specifics of the program, I do want to address something that I've struggled with with my training that will be imperative for people to wrap their minds around going into this program, and that is reframing the competitor mindset to a mindset of our goals within the GPP program, which is to make you stronger, fitter and healthier. Um, and you know, Hunter, you talk about the, the long trajectory to a distant horizon I make that up, is that right?
Speaker 2:low trajectory yes um, and this concept is powerful and life-changing and not the same as like, can I stick out a phase and be ready for this competition or that competition? It's just showing up on average four and a half days a week for a really long time, that sort of thing. So just really buying into. And again, if you're the type of person that has 90 minutes to two hours, you spread out your warm-up, you spread out your cool down, you think about the mobility stuff, that sort of thing, executing the program on a daily basis should take you, on average I would say, a little bit over an hour Some of the days. We did a two-week test group and there were days where people were done in 50 minutes and there were days where people were pushing an hour and a half.
Speaker 2:But we also know, left to their own devices, people will take different routes to get to the same place for better or worse. Sometimes they're just getting after it way too quick and other times you watch them stretch for like six and a half hours and wonder what they're doing. Um, so there's obviously a bit of kind of. You know, there's a bit of play in there I did my crossover symmetry 14 times, right, yeah fuck um.
Speaker 2:So, yeah, the the, it's, it's again it's. It's easier said than done, but I just want to put it out there. Really try on a weekly basis to think about it from the perspective of, like, what are your goals that are not specifically related to? Like, what's my friend time? Like, how well am I going to do in the open that sort of thing and your general fitness? And I don't know if you have, I mean, you know, obviously on the affiliate side, you have to have these conversations, hunter, I don't know if you have any advice for thinking about it from that perspective, but it's important no-transcript written warmup.
Speaker 1:You're then going to see either a lift, what looks like a lift, and potentially a conditioning piece. Some days we can talk I have questions on Meathead Monday, which is a unique feature of the program but basically one or two training pieces per day, either a lift, conditioning, extra credit, which appears to be kind of a skill type thing, and then also a structured cooldown, which which is a good, which is a good feature, and I think that's important to the kind of that low trajectory, to a distant horizon kind of mentality. My question for you is like who, who is this for? Like you know, it's a GPP program. I could, we I think both of us could make the argument that it's for everyone. I tend to think to myself, like well, if it's for everyone, it's for no one, like there's got to be a specific group of people in mind, or just maybe a, a specific person who's wants to approach their training with a certain, in a certain manner.
Speaker 2:I think most of the people following this program will either have time constraints or different priorities. You know what I mean. Like those are the two things that come to mind the most for me. So when Seb and I were talking about it, you know, just to sort of put the word out about it a lot of the things that we talked about were former competitors. So those are a lot of the people that were on Reddit that were like, hey, I'm kind of done with that part of my life, but I enjoy misfit and the content. Like, so what now? So former competitors are definitely on that list. You know just that, the kind of like, like we always want to push people to affiliates, like like for better or worse in terms of how many subscriptions we get.
Speaker 2:Like a lot of our advice is, hey, go do this and be part of this community. But the other side of it is, if you can't, we do have a program for you and we have an online community. Um, so that would be your like fitness enthusiast basically, um, and then you know, the time constraint thing is huge. Students, parents, small business owners, busy professionals those things trying to jam the square peg into the round hole. The high highs and the low lows throughout the year are brutal and I don't want to remove competitive aspirations from those people.
Speaker 2:But if you do make it to the other side of the fence, this program and I'll get into how I write some of the workouts but there's a lot of percentage work, there's a lot of AMRAPs, there are a lot of run this far in this amount of time or row, so what you execute and then what someone on a different side of the spectrum from you executes can be entirely different and that's almost like personalizing. So we have tricks as coaches and as programmers to make that happen. We've had to do it at the affiliate level forever, but then if we're on the fence about something you know. When it comes to a competitive program. It's like I mean, we could just make it an AMRAP, right? They were a little bit worried about this, that sort of thing. So we get to use those tools within this program.
Speaker 1:So something that I'm looking at. I kind of scrolled through entire block one. So something that I'm looking at, I kind of scrolled through entire block one. One thing that kind of stood out to me and I suspect I have an answer, but I'll hear yours is that the highest skill elements that I see in here are pull-ups, toes-to-bar and wall walks. There's a healthy dose of strict pull-ups in the extra credit work, which is obviously great, of strict pull-ups in the extra credit work, which is obviously great. But someone who is maybe coming from the.
Speaker 1:Misfit Athletics ecosystem or a competitive CrossFit mindset is like am I going to see those high skills at some point? Or has the kind of movement tracker, so to speak, shrunk down a little bit to kind of like, hey, we got fewer, fewer movements, all of which move the knee? Because, like my argument, for you know, reduce, you know, having a high skill element in every single affiliate class is a recipe for injuries, for people just not seeing progress in their fitness because they oftentimes just get slowed down by those those skill components. And there's a line for every type of athlete as far as what is too high skill to to be appropriate in a conditioning piece. So I'm curious if that's just a coincidence that I'm looking at just a single training block or um, that's, or is that pretty intentional?
Speaker 2:It's a that's very intentional, and part of it, part of the inspiration, is the challenge that we've had to write that community um competition once a year. Let's look at you know what this did for them, what the stimulus was kind of fantastic all around getting something very similar out of it. But the actual output, um, I think lines up with where you're at in your fitness Um, whereas when you're a competitor we're like you need to get to this output right.
Speaker 2:So like if you're doing the wrong program and it is an AM rap and you get one round and someone else gets seven, like holy shit, like yeah you're not going to.
Speaker 2:But that's not. The context is just so much different here. Um, and then, if I'm going to put the word healthy up on the screen and say it over and over and talk about it in terms of how to be healthy, chest-to-bar butterfly pull-ups, a lot of people are a little too narrow and they're taking a microscopic thread off their labrum every time they make themselves go around the wheel there.
Speaker 1:What's up, seb? Oh that's you Gotcha. Yeah, got it as somebody who has a surgically. Oh that's you. Gotcha, yeah, got it. I mean, as somebody who has a surgically repaired shoulder, I can't prove that that's the case, but it might be.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and well, it's easier to grip a pull-up bar with your hands closer together. So some people prefer to just deal with a longer range of motion because they have the grip strength, because they do use their hips, and the funny thing about this is this is not like I am a kool-aid drinker, um, but there are elements to the sport side of things that were never intended. You know what I mean. The volume of pulling, gymnastics, um, that sort of thing were never intended to be part of. Like again, let's make someone fit or stronger and healthier. So, um, that's where my mind goes with a lot of that. If we do see anything like that in the program, it's not like a never, it's not a, you know, it's a never say never, situation. Um, it would probably be extremely low rep and then my mind would go to well, why aren't we then just doing more chin over bar pull-ups or strict pull-ups or that sort of thing?
Speaker 2:So the movement tracker shrinks down, and one of the reasons why I like that is because it develops a level of linear progression of, like I'm going to run, row, bike and burpee very regularly. It is so awesome to be good at those four things. I'm going to push and pull, and I'm going to get my shoulder going overhead, I'm going to get the bench press and the pushup, I am going to pull from the floor. There are all these different elements. I like when things shrink down like that and people can really see their progress, that sort of thing. Now, what's good is the way that we program and the way that we systemize the programming. Um, the combinations will feel like not endless, but they'll feel like you're not doing the same thing over and over, um, that sort of deal. So, yes, that's that's definitely very intentional.
Speaker 2:Yes, that's definitely very intentional and honestly you know, stand up off a couch, that sort of thing, and the issues with blood pressure, like getting inverted. I think is is really important and we have scales in there, that sort of tell you hey, like do two or three steps and then mark your line If you can't do this volume, that sort of thing. Um, and that's honestly how a lot of the scaling goes in there. So, like we had a Metcon today that had, I think, one 15 slash, 75 power cleans, and it just sort of says below, like if, if this is what we intended and this, this sounds unrealistic. Just drop the weight. Like it's the same workout. Like you get more rounds, you're going to get fitter, like we're good to go.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I think the it's interesting. I've thought, I actually thought a lot about and this is a little bit personal too, because I'm I there's a, there's a non-zero chance that I re-injured my surgically repaired shoulder doing like what ended up being bar muscle ups. At the time I don't know if that's actually the case or if I just need to pt myself back to health, but my, my thought was, like, well, I, I'm pretty qualified in the sense of doing high skill gymnastics with the kind of intended stimulus and doing them safely, like I have strict pulling and pushing strength and, you know, would check all of the boxes that are necessary to say like, yeah, if you can get yourself up and over the bar, like, let's do it. And you know, and I randomly kind of get injured on a day and think to myself, like, like, do I need to be able to do 10 bar muscle ups? Do I need to be able to do? I need to have the physical capacity to do three sets of 10 bar muscle ups. And it's like, and then you get down the rabbit hole of like, well, like, no, like is there a situation in life where I need to string together 10 unbroken bar muscle ups to save my life, like no, like I don't think anybody would argue that the then maybe when you're 60, you can do five bar muscle ups. And like a 60 year old who can do five bar muscle ups, like that's a pretty fit dude. The question then becomes like well, is it necessary and appropriate for like to suggest to the masses to do that and like, again, I can. I'm pretty intentional with how I move. How many other people who come to a gym are are the same way? Or is it more? Just like I see the shiny thing, I'm going to do everything I can to get it and it's like that's fantastic. I'm glad that you acquired this skill, but also, you know you did just take off, you know, but that that potential shoulder replacement that was coming at age 70 is actually now here at 60. Um, and it's you, you.
Speaker 1:The hard part is is you can't know the answer to those things. You can't know something that you did five years ago is actually just, you know, the chickens are coming home to roost. Today. We had a member who who blew out his knee the other day. Um, it like a couple of weeks ago doing some heavy squat cleans and it like. The long and the short was that his surgeon was like you had. It was going to happen eventually. Um, today was just the day. This is when the stars align you, you had, you had had microscopic injuries due to whether it was crossfit or completely unrelated things. Um, but the chickens came home to roost on this day. And then you start to think about how athletes move in classes or, as quote, competitors who are not under the watchful eyes of a coach, and you're just looking at them being like like the only reason you're doing kipping pull-ups right now is because that kind of became a thing as part of the sport and it's kind of the standard.
Speaker 1:now the question is is this necessary for your long jet? Is the risk worth the reward? Whereas six by 10 strict pull-up in the extra credit of the GPP program, man.
Speaker 2:That's what we're chasing, man. I want every single person I'll put my eggs in that basket.
Speaker 1:A little bit more.
Speaker 2:Even if you literally do six rounds, round one, you do one strict pull-up and then you go to the band. If in three years, four years, five years, you can do six by 10, or your version of that, what you've done to change the landscape of your health is absolutely absurd. So I mean, you're kind of saying all of the things, um, that I'm thinking putting into this program like they're, they're pretty spot on, um, and it's yeah, it's complicated for you and your situation, especially because one of the reasons why you get so much buy-in is because you don't just talk the talk, you walk the walk.
Speaker 1:Right.
Speaker 2:A head coach who goes out there and does the thing gets significantly more buy-in from the members and from the rest of his staff. Like there's there are elements to this, but also like, like you know, is there is there a gray area? Like we're getting off topic, but like the next time there's three rounds of 10, do you just do three or four sets? Yeah, it's forced me.
Speaker 1:It's like well, I'm going to like I got to go warm up, I'm going to go warm up and do some rope climbs and kettlebell snatches. And I'm going to I got to tread, you know, test the waters to make sure that nothing's going to like re-injure itself. And now you know it's. My competitive days are long gone. There's an element of me that's like well, if I'm putting kipping pull-ups or bar muscle-ups on the whiteboard, like I, I can't not do this, I can't not I can, I can scale.
Speaker 1:I can say like, hey, I've got an injury that I'm working around, but I'm trying to get back to where I was at. But I can't say in good faith that like, oh, I just don't do muscle ups anymore. I think you should, but I don't, but I'm not going to. And like, sure, respectfully to the members, like I'm more qualified than you are to know what's you know what's best for you in that regard, Like I, like I know you want to get your bar muscle, your muscle ups, but the fact that you are slinging yourself over a pull-up bar chicken, winging half of your reps, is like again, I could tell members. It's like, yeah, man, you're, you're not hurt today, but like the chickens will come home to roost and whether it's in a year or two years and it's a catastrophic injury or it's something that's like you, hey man, like I saw this coming a long ways away, like we talked about it, you chose not to do anything about it and like not to tell you. I told you so, but I fucking told you so.
Speaker 1:um, right yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird gray area, because I could make a 20-minute diatribe of why kipping pull-ups are outstanding and why you should take the time to practice them and learn them. But I could make the argument in either direction too, not to get super far off topic here, but I think that's a I would. I think that'll be a positive feature of the program for for people who are willing to kind of stow that you know post at. You know I was once a competitive CrossFitter. It's like. What does that even mean? Like the like. What do you mean? You were a competitive cross, like you. You used to do workouts that had muscle ups, and now you don't like. Does that? Does that change anything about your life and your reality, or so?
Speaker 2:And I want people to have a remarkable engine for themselves, for their personal situation, and to be very strong for themselves and their personal situation, yeah, and to be very strong for themselves and their personal situation, yeah, and those two things are achievable through. They're not even scaled versions, honestly.
Speaker 1:I mean a strict pull-up is is no, I mean it's very high level amrap 14 minutes 16 power cleans, a 300 meter run, 16 burpees, like get fucked, like that's that's gonna be fucking miserable, like all I mean all of these words. Like all the metcons are still like, you know.
Speaker 2:They well, exactly, yes, they're metcons for sure, if you know, you know, it's one of those situations yeah, um, all right, can you uh brief?
Speaker 1:I don't know if you want to even continue on because we got some other topics, but can you uh touch on meathead Monday? That was a well-received thing in the test group.
Speaker 2:Meathead.
Speaker 1:Mondays are a thing.
Speaker 2:So to explain exactly what it is actually, do you want to read one of them? You want to tell me yeah, I'll read.
Speaker 1:Meathead, monday 1. You want me to read one or you want me to read an upcoming one. I'll read the first one, any.
Speaker 2:I don't know when, read one, or you want me to read an upcoming one? I'll read.
Speaker 1:I'll read the first one, any, any All right Meathead Monday, number one Every four minutes for 16 minutes. So that's four sets four heavy front squats, zone two, bike or walk in the remaining time. After you finish, you know, at presumably at the 16 minute mark, you'll continue on here directly into every three minutes for 18 minutes. Or six sets 10 front rack, walking, lunge, steps, zone two, biker, walk in the remaining time. And then finally that kind of 18-minute clock goes directly into every four minutes for 20 minutes, five sets 15 sumo stance, back squats, zone two walk remaining time.
Speaker 1:So the way that I read this is like we go from kind of the heavy stimulus almost like this is like a heavy and then building to almost accessory stuff within just one continuous clock, which is pretty convenient for an athlete from a timing perspective. But go on.
Speaker 2:So basically, you are getting in an entire lifting session main lift, primary accessory, secondary accessory and an elevated heart rate for basically an hour. Um and there's a note in there where you basically manipulate the session to meet your goals by either going heavy and all of those things, and that's relative 75 sumo stance back squats. You load that baby up, you're not doing the rest of the week and those instructions are also in there.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I was going to say there are instructions with a couple percentages, some guidance, but yeah, I saw that I was like 75, like that's gonna be a fucking session.
Speaker 2:you do lunges and then those sumo squats like according to the bodybuilding community, that is the goat movement for the cheeks, the sumo stance back squat, um so sumo deadlifts are right there. Um, but again, it's an accessory movement, so keep that in mind. Um, you know, doing it with an empty bar would be totally fine. So you're getting that full session in and you're you're asking yourself do?
Speaker 2:I right now in terms of how fit I am and how strong I am, which is the one that needs to be manipulated a little bit more. So if we're lifting a little bit heavier, then we're probably going to stay closer to that zone one. But the funny part about that is, lifting heavier is going to make your heart rate go higher, so it's almost going to take care of itself. Um, but you're going to stay, you know, much more deliberate on the bike or the walk, Um, if you are in a more conditioning bias phase, bit more of an actual meathead, um, you know you're, you're in trying to get into a calorie deficit or you just know that your lifts are fine and that you got to get your conditioning up. We back the weight off and we actually stay up into that. You know middle to high end zone too, and there are instructions of how to accomplish that in the program.
Speaker 2:Um, and for me, the reason I started doing it is because I felt like those lifting sessions they felt like a waste, like as someone who's time constrained like I was, I know how long you need to rest to get stronger, and I was a little bored. And then I also started doing some of the upper body stuff, with the skier, you know, on the one damper and feeling like I could lift more weight by actually clearing out some of the waste there. So, um, a lot of the feedback was just like, like, from both sides of the fence you tricked me like in a good way yeah.
Speaker 2:Like, like, like, like, holy shit, like I'm like, I'm gassed at the end of this like that's the kind of session where you're gonna burn 500 to 800 calories, which is a lot like that's no joke doing that, um so, and it also gives us an opportunity to like, I don't think, like um well, well, actually, no, this isn't.
Speaker 2:This isn't blasphemous to say. If you actually follow the the original way that CrossFit intended to program, I don't believe that you need to go put your head through a wall in a GPP program as often as most people would. Um, I don't think the recovery is going to be there again. If you are super busy, if you have other priorities, like you're not going to recover, it's not going to go that well. So this is the kind of session where there's kind of some built in flushing and maintenance and we're keeping the tissues warm.
Speaker 2:I think there's injury prevention and staying on a machine while you're doing lifting and things of that nature. So, honestly, I just was going for a two for one and tinkered with it for like a year and a half on my own end and really found that it ended up being a really great workout in that my HRV scores, even though I hit that many reps and got that much time on the machines, were actually a little bit better the next day because you know, it was sort of high intensity lift, low intensity on the machine back and forth do you have any advice for somebody like just getting started with this, because I like there is a small element of me that's like I, I'm looking at that kind of an individually.
Speaker 1:It's like, okay, four by four front squat yep, that's fine. Six by ten lunge okay, that's not so bad. 75 sumo, that's kind of a lot. It's like that now all of a sudden, but that's compounded like that, might that, that would. That will fuck me up for for a good few days. I, I think I'm I have the knowledge and experience to look at that and do the math and say to myself, like, ah, like I, I see what could happen here. Um, and there's some other days that are like that as well. Do you have any advice for somebody Like is there a progression to Meathead Monday? Is it just a kind of a rotating lifting cycle? There are other, also for the listener like there are other days where you do have your traditional sort of lifting, your heavy threes, twos, ones that don't have, know, specific zone two requirements.
Speaker 2:It's not right yeah, so the there's multiple upper body meathead mondays, olympic lifting meathead mondays and lower body meathead mondays. You'd be looking at like your primary lift on the lower body is probably going to be like front squat, back squat, deadlift, different variations of clean and snatch and then the different planes that we talked about within pressing. On the upper body days there is very much a like you're going to notice the similarities as they rotate. So, like two weeks from the first lower body meathead Monday you're going to get another one and you're going to see some of the similarities there. You're going to have information on how to attack it based on the previous session and then the ability to have some linear progression built into it Because there's, you know, on the snatch day there's 15, five by 15 overhead squats, which is a whole. You know a whole thing there.
Speaker 2:But again, I would be looking at like if I was doing this program, I would be understanding that even though I can lift the weight, that my actual fitness level isn't necessarily there. So I'm looking for my RPE to drop considerably over the course of that session. I did a five by 15 of any squat variation or lunge or anything like that. We're talking empty bar we're talking, you know, 25, 35 pound dumbbells, something to that effect. Because if you can condition yourself to do the thing and give yourself a little bit of runway, then, like, 45 pounds turns into 50, turns into 55, turns into 60. And it becomes more and more appropriate for you to have a little bit of weight on there and you'll actually be making it easier on your body at heavier weights. Um, and that's just another part of of having the right mindset going into this. I'm trying to be healthier. Like, if I put one 35 on this bar, I could probably get it done and I'm going to be in deep shit.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, I was going to say there's a that, that kind of long-term mindset, longevity element to that for sure.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so I don't know if you have any other questions, but that's.
Speaker 1:That's the GPP program in a nutshell. Um, no, I don't think. Yeah, I think there's the. No, I don't think. Is there anything else you want to add to it? I think I could.
Speaker 2:I don't think so. I mean, I think there's the now I don't think is there anything else. You access to your macro calculator and, like you know, um, you know talking about sleep practices and just. These conversations are so similar, but they're just a little bit of a shift from who we're normally talking to on this podcast, and it'll be our job to figure out how often we're we're bringing in different contexts. But I also don't want to confuse people. So I would love to talk to people about the other ways, outside of the GPP program, to be fitter, healthier, stronger, and you know that's probably going to include, you know, hitting your macros and drinking your water and stretching more than anything. But again, if people are, you know, in it at like a team level, um, there's going to be more buy-in.
Speaker 1:People are going to be more interested in executing, going to be able to lean on one another yeah, I don't know if this is a question we'll get, but just knowing that we do get a question about, like, the cross-pollination of the various programs that we write um, is there overlap between this program and the other programs? Is there a scenario where somebody is doing hatchet, the hatchet track and is like, oh, I might do gpp also, or some days do gpp and some days do hatchet or stuff like that? Like I mean, blow on it, yeah it. Just answer the quote before I get angry all right um we actually are getting, we actually are getting this question already.
Speaker 2:Um, and I think towards the end of may don't quote me on this um bundles will be available on both fitter and what we're going to be launching on strivy. How you use those, though, you, I think, needs we. There should be a fucking bundles episode, because I understand the idea of I don't have time for hatchet right now in this season of my life. I got this test coming up. I got this thing to do and wanting to hop over and just follow GPP for a couple of weeks, you know there's there's one plea that that we're going to make. Like we know that there are large groups of people that follow under one subscription, and like we're just we're a really small business, and if you think that the content that we make is kind of worth it and you like you know what we do and want us to continue doing it, then a little nudge to get those people to sign up would be super helpful. So, like I hope people aren't just like, oh fuck, we got all of them now, like I'll write them up on the whiteboard, that sort of thing, but um, no, there's no, there's no crossover and there shouldn't be.
Speaker 2:Um, the only thing would be, you know, like a challenge workout where it is something very straightforward a 20 minute AMRAP that like a games athlete is going to hold 1600 cows per hour and you're going to hold 900. And like it's just fun to have you know body weight movements and rowing in a light barbell and see who can die more, that sort of thing. So if we did that down the road that would be like kind of a one-off thing just for fun, um, more than anything, and again, more to the whole team kind of buy-in idea. But, um, no, this program is written entirely from scratch. Um, and I know you and I have talked about it, hunter, it's really fun for me to write this program because I'm not boxed in um to like this wild matrix of connecting the dots and drawing the puzzle and going way down a road and realizing I have to turn around. Like I can really like put the stuff in that I want because it's not running into conflict with so many other things.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, that's always the. The restraint, the constraints of writing, writing programs for the masses is is can be really challenging, even writing for affiliates. It's like. I don't know how big your gym is, I don't know how many athletes or equipment you have, so so yeah for sure.
Speaker 2:All right, Um, we are going to move on to well we're. We're about an hour in right now. I'll give you guys a little bit of bonus content, um for for taking a couple of weeks off, but we won't. We won't run it too long. Um, hunter, I want your opinion on the conversation of the mayhem classic programming and I'm going to give you a couple of half opinions, um, to kind of run with here. So the mayhem classic first workout had 120 feedback squats sandbag squats with 100 70 pounds. Number two had anywhere from 10 10 to 30 squat snatches at 225 slash 155. And then event three had 72 ish, 72 dumbbell thrusters with the 55s slash 40s. So the first three events um, we talk about it on here. I believe wholeheartedly in it. You need to be prepared for this as an athlete. You need to be prepared to execute on something like this, because maybe it's just because mayhem can and will program it this way.
Speaker 2:Or maybe it's because, again, you got to be ready for anything and some years it's going to be this and some years it's going to be something else. I won't condemn the programming until I see the programming a few, a few times. Like, if they want to program it this way this year and be like, but you weren't ready for that shit, um, then fine, if it's all squats next year, then like, what the fuck are we doing? The other part here is I didn't know this was a thing and it actually makes sense to me.
Speaker 2:But like, like, our athletes are getting pretty big in the sport. You know what I mean. They're they're two, three inches taller, they're like 20 or 30 pounds heavier, and the narrative of the rise of the machines apparently is a thing kind of whispers from the old guard to the new guard of, like you you know I'm the machine, quote unquote as the crossfitter, that sort of thing. Um, and it's like, like every semi-finals has three, three workouts with the echo bike, probably some run, probably some rowing in it like that sort of thing.
Speaker 2:Um, so part of the you sort of narrative in the public right now is this might have been a little bit of a like rich saying. I remember what it was like when I was out there. You know what I mean, which I think is interesting. It's at least a fun thing to talk about machines as often as they do out there is it. Is it too much of a change? Like there's there's a lot of different ways you can take this conversation, um, but it was the athletes were fucked up in the back, like that's one thing that was funny about. It is like like none of them are going to admit it publicly but like ever like a lot of people were talking about it and they're like no, I know it's too much like that sort of thing, but yeah again context.
Speaker 1:I mean like the first three workouts and, like you, you don't have to go far before you see workout four. And it's like 300 feet of dumbbell overhead walking lunge, 100 70 pound dumbbell event five like finishing with the echo bike. Okay, like it's lower body, but I mean, uh, yeah, I mean my, my immediate thought, when I kind of looked at the sheet that you gave with all the programming just easy, right, there is the smallest sets of any individual movement is like the 15 and 9 in the dumbbell thruster. Um, everything else is, and I I feel like this is historically how it. I'm basing this off of mostly like empirical memory of watching the old froning in the barn, videos of like a day in the life of rich froning training, and it's like the. It's a like every single one of these workouts screams like muscle overload or there's a, there's a massive muscle overload component to the, to each, to each workout, and that is typically how I remember seeing a lot of the programming that rich would write for himself. It's massive sets of big sets.
Speaker 2:Also the workouts he would win at the CrossFit Games.
Speaker 1:GHDs handstand walking right for sure, and it's like every programmer has their own bias, whether conscious or subconscious. But that is a fucking kick in the dick.
Speaker 2:Yeah, they were, and it's like you could tell you have to wonder.
Speaker 1:It's like it. Okay, I mean, it's a kick in the nuts for everybody. But if you are a mayhem athlete like we can talk for at length about you know, conflict of interest of having the primary pro, like the major, arguably the largest programming, or, you know, training camp in the crossfit space right now, programming and having so many of their own athletes competing, it's like conflict, maybe, maybe not, but it's like I'm.
Speaker 2:I'm still I believe only one of their athletes qualified okay, so, and he's a, he's a, he's a fucking monster.
Speaker 2:The thing that was funny was smaller athletes. So Colton, austin, hatfield and Fee, all qualified, and I think people are just so used to your you know it's going to be, you know Jason and Dallin, and you know people of that size, and it was interesting to see how that shook out, because because you look at this and there's there's a little bit of push and pull, like I thought the smaller athletes would struggle more with the getovers. Hell, no, they look like fucking spider monkeys out there.
Speaker 2:it was crazy, it was crazy watching them go over the box the way that they did and then just go straight into the squats yeah, I don't know how.
Speaker 1:I don't know if this is an accurate statement or not. I think previously we like there was a time where, like the size of the athlete, you know, ideal athlete size is that like 510, 195 to 190, 200 pound male like equivalent. I don't know exactly what the equivalent female would be.
Speaker 1:But like now we're starting to see like it's it is as long as the programming and even like, even if the programming doesn't appear to be super well balanced there, I think there are spaces in, like workouts where, like the side, the pushing, the, the balance of like big versus small athlete, like kind of evens itself out. Um, the machine component. Like you know, I think previously we always thought like smaller athletes are better off running, bigger athletes are better off on machines, but it's like well, big athletes are good at running, they can stride longer.
Speaker 1:So it's like, and they're fit enough that, like sure, carrying around 220 pounds of muscle, like well, like I, I have fucking 150 of those pounds are in the legs that are carrying this body around. So, um, it's, it's interesting to see, like there's a you know, there is a wider spread of, like big versus small athletes competing and, and at highest level, as far as who wins. I'd be curious to I don't, we haven't done that like in a while as far as like who wins the CrossFit games. Is there a specific body type or proportion?
Speaker 1:but yeah from from a to go back to the original kind of the programming note.
Speaker 1:It's just like it's a very clear bias, uh, and again doesn't seem like it paid off as far as like mayhem athletes just taking the crown look like the fittest people took it. But it does beg the question of like who's you know, the same questions we had when sanctionals was a thing. It's like who's auditing the programming? How are we like what's the? What's the uh, what's the assessment of workouts that do meet, meet like maybe the short, medium, long criteria?
Speaker 1:But it's like man sets of 20 burpee getovers, 40 feedback squats, 30 snatches, five rope, legless rope climbs, 50 GHDs, a hundred foot handstand walk, 30 bar muscle ups, like all of these workouts have workouts, have you know, by our definition is like they're almost all muscle overload workouts where it's just like your localized muscular stamina is more of a factor than your your fitness level. Um, and just just kind of begs the question of how, how do we standardize programming while giving programmers a little bit of leeway, and crossfit clearly wants to only be partially involved in this entire process. I don't even know what they're, what what?
Speaker 2:what that looks like. So it's a, it's a as a programmer. It's like why? Why is that volume of those movements? And honestly, for me it's not even like a squatting thing, it's just like the lower half is being torched. The devil's advocate here is this was quite a fucking showcase, dude.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Like the athletes handled this way better than you think they would have.
Speaker 1:Sure.
Speaker 2:And I don't. And they were. They were talking about in the back, like how they felt. But then seeing how event three and four went for certain athletes is mind blowing. So, like they, they were able to. There's no question of whether this programming was like you know. They just decided to go fucking full seal, fit on people and try to like murder them like they didn't, even though it might look like that um, which again does allow, like the lay person, to see how far they truly are away. Because, like again, if these were chopped up and they were a bit gassy or a bit more cardio, then, like you, things would change for sure well, yeah so it was.
Speaker 2:It was like it didn't look as muscle overloady as you'd think in execution which is so so crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and that's that's sick, because that just speaks to the fitness level of the athletes doing this.
Speaker 3:But what?
Speaker 1:I so wild.
Speaker 1:What's what is kind of wild is like. If that is becoming the case, we've like I think the the open is really kind of the last bastion of like here's where literally everybody can play um, you know, it used to be like some of the games workouts were and in semifinals workouts like oh, you could do that at your affiliate and it would be appropriate. It might even be appropriate for your affiliate athletes to do. It's just going to take them longer, but like there's not a single one of these workouts that I would like, except for like the off day where it's like hey guys, like here's the wow factor at the affiliate level. Like there is none. Not one of these workouts is like appropriate for the average everyday person. They'd have to be like seriously scaled back and the.
Speaker 1:The reason I think that's significant is that, like as the sport and the top end athletes get fitter and fitter, it drags the sport further and further away from the majority of crossfitters um and and puts it further, on an island that I would, then I would argue it already is um and so like not having a test where it's like, not a single one of my affiliate, they, I mean they could, you could do, you could do event one. You could do 120, 100 pound squats.
Speaker 1:You're not going to walk for the rest of the week but like you do, you do murph um sure but from like uh, but you know is, and it was funny because I saw an article that said rich front like rich. What would rich do if he was the ceo? Like someone in morning chalk up or someone asked him and he was like well, I'd you know, try to. We try to get like re-link, like the competitive side of the sport with the affiliates. Like try to recreate, rebuild that bridge that that doesn't really exist right now. Um, and not to just like randomly take programming from the mayhem classic and say like oh, oh, you're not doing that.
Speaker 1:It's like that wasn't the intention, but it's like this. These five events are just like. This is very clearly not the sport that it was five years ago for athletes at the semifinal, regional, sanctional, whatever level you want to whatever level it is now level you want, to whatever level it is now.
Speaker 2:No, I mean, there's at this point 60 ish men and women on earth that are just so much fucking fitter than like anyone has. It's. That's the one shining thing that has made it through.
Speaker 1:The like absurd amount of turmoil that the sport itself and the community at large has faced is the progression is still just just wild to watch, like absolutely crazy you feel like that's a overall thing or the progress I feel like I my opinion is that the progression is predominantly isolated, to like the very upper end of that, like yeah, that's what I mean people at the.
Speaker 2:Okay, yeah, yeah well, and that's how it's a. It's a group representation of what rich did and then what matt did. And then tia, because we were still doing no matter what we were doing 95 pound thrusters. There was no other weight of thruster in 2010, whatever.
Speaker 2:And then you see this fucking video rich doing one 15 thrusters, one 35 thrusters, one 55 thrusters and it's like you're going to fucking catch that guy. He's doing one and a half times the amount of weight you're doing in the same workout in a similar time domain, Like. And then it's like, like you know, you had the like Matt chance and Chris Spielers who were like one workout a day, Fuck you. And it's like, yeah, I mean good luck, I guess. Like you know, I'm sure you can go hard enough to make it seem like one and a half workouts, but he did six, so, like, that's not going to help you. Um, I just think it's a. It's a larger representation enough of the programmers and the people have caught up to the idea of how to put this whole puzzle together. Um, but it's, it's not appropriate for very many people. Like, the barrier to entry is so fucking high.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah, which, yeah, for and for kind of the longevity of the sports side. It's like you to wonder how, once people are doing something that is so unattainable but like I can't even replicate Again. That's the nice part about the Open. It's like I can do the same workout as Colton and take twice as long to do it, but have it still be appropriate for me and I can look at that and be like how the fuck is someone capable of that? Like I can't. I like 30 snatches at 225 is like, oh, like the best case scenario for me takes 30 days. Like one, one, one one, 225 snatch a day would be for 30 consecutive days, would be a, would be a fucking win. Um, but it's like you can't. The the affiliate level, the the layman, it's like this.
Speaker 2:It's no longer relatable that workout time is 43 200 minutes, in case anyone was wondering.
Speaker 1:Nice, okay I bet I can hear the shit out of that with a good month of only snatching right, yeah, um, one good segue here, um into, if we even care to cover.
Speaker 2:So the fucking online semifinals drama is oh no, I lost my segue. What was my segue? I don don't have it. Oh you, you.
Speaker 2:No, you fucking talked about um the gap the gap, the I just the idea of the. You know this person's over here and these, these 60 people that could even do these workouts are over here. Um yeah, well, I think one of the best ways they could do it is by getting rid of quarter finals and introducing something called the Community Cup that no one understands or cares about, and ask the public to program it, because clearly they don't think it's a big deal. I think that would be one of the best ways to bridge the gap.
Speaker 3:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yes, get rid of quarterfinals. Alienate most of the community. Yeah, Do that.
Speaker 1:Congratulations, and then promote the thing that they're not going to program Mm-hmm, do that. And then congratulations.
Speaker 2:Promote the, the thing that they're not going to program yep good stuff.
Speaker 3:I honestly feel like they're trolling.
Speaker 2:At this point I felt I I feel like they're trolling a little bit and they can't be. There's like like I feel like they wouldn't want to sabotage their own thing, but like between the fucking typos and like, hey, just get a fucking gps device and you'll be fine running 800s, and and then apparently there's drama that I don't really know too much about with the age group judging. I know you have a little bit of insight into that, at least.
Speaker 1:I don't think it's much, but go on, that's all I got. I'm just feeling kind of eh yeah, I'm just feeling kind of eh, yeah the.
Speaker 2:If I didn't have my people, my athletes, I would have fucked off a while ago like I'm, just, I'm, I'm, I'm pretty frustrated with, with crossfit, the company, not the methodology not necessarily even the sport.
Speaker 1:But the company is like I mean, I've been saying it for years, like what's what's the mission? Like what are you doing? Well, is it is it a health? Is it a? Is it the crossfit games? Is it? Is it grandma and grandpa? Was it us doing the?
Speaker 1:You know the at-home workouts where somebody gets up, up and down from a chair. Is it crossfit health? Is it met fix? Is it just the methodology? Like, where are you going? What are you doing? I got you got high rocks banging down the door of the, the fitness world. You got f45 god help us. But like, but I mean, it's like there's something to be said about, like the, the. You know you can have an excellent product and no ability to sell or market it and it's. Then it fucking goes in one ear and out the other and I think, like we believe in the methodology. But yeah, crossfit continues to pull out a nine millimeter and point it straight at their foot and pull the trigger at a regular interval with regular rest periods. So I don't know what the fuck yeah, I mean.
Speaker 2:the best thing that we can think to do is provide Misfit, affiliate GPP, hatchet and MFT and make content.
Speaker 1:Yeah, I'll fuck you up with that.
Speaker 2:I'll make you fit as shit, Uh-huh mft and yeah, I'll make you fit as shit, uh-huh, like, as long as there is a sustainable amount of humans that are interested in doing that, we'll keep doing our thing, um well, the fucking birth rates are going down too, so we might be bingo on those pretty soon too oh no. Yeah, it's tough too, because the people that can afford the program are the kind of people that aren't having kids good stuff.
Speaker 2:Um, yep, all right, uh, it did. Um, it felt like it should have, though it feels like the right mood to have for the topic. Um, all right, we're gonna, we're gonna end this, end this on a good note here. So again, misfit affiliate cortez phase begins monday, may 12th. You can get a two-week free trial. Uh, sugar wad, stream, fit or push press. Um, just click the sign up now button on team misfitcom. Off season block two gets started on monday, may 26th. You can find that in the Lincoln bio, uh on Instagram or misfit athleticscom. And I guess we just say the GPP program is alive and well because there are no phases and there are no cycles and we're doing something with horizons and trajectories here. Um, do we have any final thoughts on a hodgepodge of an episode?
Speaker 2:have any final thoughts on a hodgepodge of an episode I think rory can take it at quail hollow at the next major. So that's, I'm just saying, there it is, he's won it before.
Speaker 1:The course is kind of built for him.
Speaker 3:I I'm on the rory train for the next uh, next six, seven months here I usually agree with hunter on about everything, but I cannot get on the rory train. I just don't like the guy. It wasn't his mistress you waited. You waited one hour and 23 minutes to fucking say that I was trying to be a good person and just like wait and just not say anything, but you brought it back up.
Speaker 1:Why don't you like, rory, now explain yourself? This podcast will not end until-.
Speaker 3:No, no, we'll end it. I'm a Scottie fan and I'm a Max Homa fan. I think Rory is a little soft, but I'm not taking away from his greatness. My comments are not about his skill. It's just as a man, I don't know, I don't vibe.
Speaker 1:I don't know.
Speaker 2:I kind of land in the middle a little bit on this topic. Part of his crusty exterior was created by people running their mouth about him. Then there's the whole like when we were kids it was cool that michael jordan was a prick. You know what I mean, like that kind of thing. But there's like it takes the right, I think maybe because he tries to turn it on and off sometimes, like that sort of thing. I can't even fathom I was going to use a word that I probably shouldn't use on youtube. How crusty I would be as a human being if I had to listen to other people run their fucking yap about me.
Speaker 1:Like it's embarrassing that you're only the second best person in the entire world that's something so embarrassing that you have four majors and you just need one more to yeah, I don't know how I feel about it.
Speaker 2:I get like I I have, like my youth was very much like you choose your team, you choose your guy, you choose your sport, even down to like my family's from northern maine. So you have to choose whether you're like a chevy or a ford guy like I just grew up where, like you, there's fucking lines you don't cross. But then you get older and you start coaching, you start seeing these things and like, dare I say, kind of fascinated by aaron judge, like younger me would have pulled out that, that nine millimeter and shot me in the foot. Um, if I said that I was fascinated by that, um, so I, I don't know, both ideas kind of live in my head. I'm not, I'm not like a big fan of his. He doesn't, he doesn't, he doesn't do it for me, like. But him accomplishing what he did and overcoming that thing just puts another like a story and tool in my bag which I can be thankful for, I suppose.
Speaker 2:Yeah I suppose, yeah, all right, well, my, my fitness is improving. Um, my strength is improving. I'm gonna be a real happy camper when my back and face don't hurt.
Speaker 3:For like a day.
Speaker 2:so I'd say if we're going for a fitter, stronger, healthier, healthier feels a little off at the moment, so there's probably some couch stretch in my future, but but we'll, we'll get there, we'll get there.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:Do, we do it.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
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Speaker 1:Later.